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re: What do you people have against solar farms?
Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:33 pm to nealnan8
Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:33 pm to nealnan8
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Well, I am an American, so that means either the extreme Left or Right has told me exactly what to think about this or any other subject. I am self-righteous enough to not do any honest research about this subject or challenge what I think to be true. Now, what's on TV tonight...?
so accurate
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:10 pm to billjamin
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So capital will be spent to buy electricity with a 23% capacity factor.
Meaningless unless you do a $/Wh comparison.
Not meaningless if one of your primary responsibilities is / should be reliable bulk power generation and a stable grid.
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It will disincentivize investment in reliable base load generation which will meet demand 24/7/365, unlike solar and wind.
No it won't. This is a laughable talking point because the infrastructure investors prefer to spread investments out among different types of generation to mitigate portfolio concentration risk.
Your response is laughable. Investment in any sort of large-scale base-load power generation ... even basic maintenance and routine upgrades, let alone greenfield builds ... is miniscule compared to the push for "renewables" over the last decade or more. Thankfully we've supplanted alot of the lost coal with gas. The completion and commissioning of Vogtle was great (albeit at the typical nuclear cost and timeframe). I pray the SMRs gain traction.
But, the political push for "renewables" in bulk power by bureaucrats and elected idiots (read AOC and Kamala Harris types) is dumb. Our grid is suffering. Most of the remaining coal/gas plants that have death sentences aren't spending money to ensure reliability, though, thankfully, some are seeing through the BS and starting to delay those stupid decommissioning deadlines. We're running coal plants like peakers. I've worked in third-world countries, and our grid stability is starting to compare to theirs. That's not an exaggeration. It's been a noticeable degradation of reliability and stability, and you can draw a direct causal line to wind and solar "replacing" base load fossil plants taken offline by the idiots in Washington. Sadly, the idiocy isn't constrained to DC or blue state governments. But, all those blackouts and rolling brownouts in Kali the last few years have been fun to watch.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:15 pm to homesicktiger
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Not meaningless if one of your primary responsibilities is / should be reliable bulk power generation and a stable grid.
Which solar provides. Most utility scale solar is running 99% production indexes. They’re hitting P99 levels before weather adjustment.
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Your response is laughable. Investment in any sort of large-scale base-load power generation ... even basic maintenance and routine upgrades, let alone greenfield builds ... is miniscule compared to the push for "renewables" over the last decade or more. Thankfully we've supplanted alot of the lost coal with gas. The completion and commissioning of Vogtle was great (albeit at the typical nuclear cost and timeframe). I pray the SMRs gain traction.
How many infrastructure funds have you worked with? All of the ones I deal with want diversified portfolios.
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But, the political push for "renewables" in bulk power by bureaucrats and elected idiots (read AOC and Kamala Harris types) is dumb. Our grid is suffering. Most of the remaining coal/gas plants that have death sentences aren't spending money to ensure reliability, though, thankfully, some are seeing through the BS and starting to delay those stupid decommissioning deadlines. We're running coal plants like peakers. I've worked in third-world countries, and our grid stability is starting to compare to theirs. That's not an exaggeration. It's been a noticeable degradation of reliability and stability, and you can draw a direct causal line to wind and solar "replacing" base load fossil plants taken offline by the idiots in Washington. Sadly, the idiocy isn't constrained to DC or blue state governments. But, all those blackouts and rolling brownouts in Kali the last few years have been fun to watch.
You’re giving the feds too much credit for manipulating this and not enough credit to utility companies that actually make the decisions.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:16 pm to Lonnie Utah
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from a harm to the environment
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:21 pm to Kingpenm3
I hate those stoopid solar wind farm eye sores.
And they better not mess up Rabideaux's.
And they better not mess up Rabideaux's.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:31 pm to billjamin
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All of the ones I deal with want diversified portfolios.
How much of that is influenced by gov't subsidizing wind farms and solar and opposing almost every other form of energy?
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:37 pm to AlwysATgr
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How much of that is influenced by gov't subsidizing wind farms and solar and opposing almost every other form of energy?
Minimally because the primary equity sponsor doesn’t usually take the tax credit. It’s just a tax subsidy that’s taken by the tax equity investor. It doesn’t change the fair market value of the asset. The credits are typically traded for cheap working capital, which if you ever want to see how it’s applied look at the levelized cost of electricity formula and just change the discount rate variable.
The bigger reason is that concentration presents risk. Being tied heavily to units that rely on commodity fuel markets presents risk. Being tied heavily to highly regulated markets like nuclear presents risk. Being tied to solar or wind presents meteorological risk. So you diversify. They each have things they’re really good at and we need more of all on them not less.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:37 pm to Kingpenm3
A solar farm in hurricane and tornado country on grass land is a money pit with glass shrapnel abound.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 7:21 am to nealnan8
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Well, I am an American, so that means either the extreme Left or Right has told me exactly what to think about this or any other subject. I am self-righteous enough to not do any honest research about this subject or challenge what I think to be true. Now, what's on TV tonight...?
chefs kiss
Posted on 10/16/24 at 7:18 pm to homesicktiger
Very well stated. I wish people understood half of what you know about electricity generation and the grid.
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