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Runners, is this new shoe technology going to get banned like the body suits in swimming?
Posted on 7/29/26 at 7:59 am
Posted on 7/29/26 at 7:59 am
I’m no expert but I’ve read a little about it. Basically this new technology has allowed companies to make shoes that are even lighter and have even better carbon plated bottoms in them. Since it came out in April the marathon record and mile record has been broken. The guy who just beat the mile record had a track cleat that was custom designed specifically for him to do this.
It’s reminding me of the body suits all the swimmers wore for a few years, shattered every record in the books, and then they banned the suits. Anyone think the same might happen with these shoes?
ETA: I took the graphic down because I think it’s showing the wrong type of shoes. Here are the record breakers
Marathon: Addidas Adizero Adios Evo Pro 3
Mile: Brooks Hyperion 222

It’s reminding me of the body suits all the swimmers wore for a few years, shattered every record in the books, and then they banned the suits. Anyone think the same might happen with these shoes?
ETA: I took the graphic down because I think it’s showing the wrong type of shoes. Here are the record breakers
Marathon: Addidas Adizero Adios Evo Pro 3
Mile: Brooks Hyperion 222
This post was edited on 7/29/26 at 8:16 am
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:05 am to Tiger1242
No. They might crack down on some of the loopholes that companies are using to get around the current rules, but the shoes aren't doing anything magical like the banned swimsuits. They're basically adding more foam and a carbon plate, both within regulations, and allowing for better energy return from your stride. They aren't creating any more energy than you're putting in, they're just more efficient. The swimsuits, as far as I'm aware, were breaking records because they allowed you to be more aerodynamic and buoyant than bare skin.
A lot of people theorize that the "super shoes" are leading to records being broken because you can train harder in them without beating your legs up as much. It's not that they're magic on race day, it's that they're allowing for better prep leading up to it.
A lot of people theorize that the "super shoes" are leading to records being broken because you can train harder in them without beating your legs up as much. It's not that they're magic on race day, it's that they're allowing for better prep leading up to it.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:06 am to Ingeniero
For the daily miles are they just more comfortable and less impact on the runner? Doesn't seem like that big of a deal? Also what are some of those shoes, is it just the two listed in the graphic?
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:12 am to WavinWilly
That graphic is weird. The Evo SL and 1080 probably aren’t even considered supertrainers by many/most.
1080 is a traditional max cushion cruiser. The Evo SL is an affordable trainer with a high end foam. Plateless super trainers to me would be glycerin max, vomero plus, superblast 2/3 etc. all of which are super popular and not at all controversial
1080 is a traditional max cushion cruiser. The Evo SL is an affordable trainer with a high end foam. Plateless super trainers to me would be glycerin max, vomero plus, superblast 2/3 etc. all of which are super popular and not at all controversial
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:12 am to WavinWilly
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Also what are some of those shoes, is it just the two listed in the graphic?
Marathon winner: Addidas Adizero Adios Pro 3
Mile: Brooks Hyperion 222
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:14 am to Tiger1242
This mainly started with the carbon plate that Kipchoge "broke" the marathon record in.
Then it just began a race for every company that cared (Brooks, Nike, New Balance, Adidas, and Puma) to get a runner on the map with their shoe.
Kipchoge's sub 2:00 was fairly controversial at the time.
Then it just began a race for every company that cared (Brooks, Nike, New Balance, Adidas, and Puma) to get a runner on the map with their shoe.
Kipchoge's sub 2:00 was fairly controversial at the time.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:15 am to Ingeniero
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adding more foam and a carbon plate
I just got some NB Supercomp Trainer V3 which is the combo I have been looking for. Good foam and a carbon plate. Love them.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:15 am to Pettifogger
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1080 is a traditional max cushion cruiser. The Evo SL is an affordable trainer with a high end foam. Plateless super trainers to me would be glycerin max, vomero plus, superblast 2/3 etc. all of which are super popular and not at all controversial
you can buy the 1080 at your local Academy or Dicks.
Great shoe though.
When I was a heavy runner, I'd rotate between the 1080v5 and Brooks Ghost v9 and they were the best two shoes I'd ever owned.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:18 am to WavinWilly
There are a bunch of factors to it. The shoes with the carbon plates aren't more comfortable; less, if anything. They're rigid and provide better energy return when you run, which (theoretically) allows you to hit faster paces with less effort because it's converting more of your stride into forward motion than if you were running in Crocs.
We don't really know if it's ok to run in them every day because there's no long term data yet on how it changes you. Could lead to more injury, could lead to less, idk. We know pros are using them for workouts and long runs. Some people wear them every day. It's kind of preference for now.
World Athletics, who governs track and road running, has rules on how thick the sole can be and the configuration of the carbon plate. Shoes have to be under a certain thickness when measured at 12% from the heel and 75% from the heel. That's one of the loopholes I mentioned: companies will bevel the heel aggressively to make sure it's under the threshold, but that makes the shoe insanely uncomfortable and inefficient unless your foot lands a certain way:
It's pretty agreed upon that the shoes help you more if you already have an efficient stride that can use them to the maximum advantage. Joe Blow at your local 5k isn't getting as much out of them with his choppy shuffle as a Kenyan
We don't really know if it's ok to run in them every day because there's no long term data yet on how it changes you. Could lead to more injury, could lead to less, idk. We know pros are using them for workouts and long runs. Some people wear them every day. It's kind of preference for now.
World Athletics, who governs track and road running, has rules on how thick the sole can be and the configuration of the carbon plate. Shoes have to be under a certain thickness when measured at 12% from the heel and 75% from the heel. That's one of the loopholes I mentioned: companies will bevel the heel aggressively to make sure it's under the threshold, but that makes the shoe insanely uncomfortable and inefficient unless your foot lands a certain way:
It's pretty agreed upon that the shoes help you more if you already have an efficient stride that can use them to the maximum advantage. Joe Blow at your local 5k isn't getting as much out of them with his choppy shuffle as a Kenyan
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:26 am to Ingeniero
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Joe Blow at your local 5k isn't getting as much out of them with his choppy shuffle
It's called a powerwalk and it was a half marathon. I even have the window sticker to prove it.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:29 am to Tiger1242
I think my grandma had a pair of those.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:31 am to Ingeniero
Nope. Too much money is out there for the manufacturers and stores.
I just came home yesterday from getting a steroid shot in my back and likely will get to do it again in 6 months.
20 years ago, I stepped out of a hotel in Woodland Hills, CA expecting to do my daily run up Chalk Hill on Ventura Blvd. My knees had always had some pain to them and sciatica in my back and this particular morning, I thought the pain would eventually stop after a few yards. Nope, it just got worse.
That was the last time I did any running, to speak of.
I had a history of running barefooted on the levy in Monroe, LA and shrugged it off when an older runner scolded me for doing that. I was young and almost a superman but I bought some cheap arse running shoes so I wouldn't look like the country goober that I was.
If I could have bought (afforded or found) some Brooks, Hokas, or even better quality Sketchers, I might not be having these issues I have now.
I believe if you run for years on the streets, especially with thin old style shoes, you will have terrible knee and back problems when you're in your 60s, 70, and above and wish you could re-do what you ignored in your younger years. Don't skimp on your shoes.
I just came home yesterday from getting a steroid shot in my back and likely will get to do it again in 6 months.
20 years ago, I stepped out of a hotel in Woodland Hills, CA expecting to do my daily run up Chalk Hill on Ventura Blvd. My knees had always had some pain to them and sciatica in my back and this particular morning, I thought the pain would eventually stop after a few yards. Nope, it just got worse.
That was the last time I did any running, to speak of.
I had a history of running barefooted on the levy in Monroe, LA and shrugged it off when an older runner scolded me for doing that. I was young and almost a superman but I bought some cheap arse running shoes so I wouldn't look like the country goober that I was.
If I could have bought (afforded or found) some Brooks, Hokas, or even better quality Sketchers, I might not be having these issues I have now.
I believe if you run for years on the streets, especially with thin old style shoes, you will have terrible knee and back problems when you're in your 60s, 70, and above and wish you could re-do what you ignored in your younger years. Don't skimp on your shoes.
This post was edited on 7/29/26 at 8:33 am
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:32 am to Ingeniero
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It's pretty agreed upon that the shoes help you more if you already have an efficient stride that can use them to the maximum advantage. Joe Blow at your local 5k isn't getting as much out of them with his choppy shuffle as a Kenyan
Yea I am just Joe Blow getting back into running. I was curious if the new daily trainers they referred to were really worth it. I'm using Flux Adapt trainers which I really like, but I can see when my weekly mileage gets back up, I could see the shoe not offering enough cushion.
It makes sense, but I didn't realize there was this much controversy over running shoes.
This post was edited on 7/29/26 at 8:33 am
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:40 am to WavinWilly
Pretty much any daily trainer shoe from a major brand will be good enough for 95% of runners. I have a rotation, but I'm doing 40+ mile weeks every week. I use the Asics Novablast for daily running, Adidas Evo SL for workouts, and the Asics Superblast for anything over 10 miles.
The carbon plated stuff is really only for people wanting to race, and you'd get more bang for you buck by running more mileage than you would buying a $400 carbon shoe. The really high end ones that are being talked about also deteriorate really fast. Think NASCAR tires. They're not using them for a Sunday drive, they're using them to rip it as fast as they can for X distance.
The carbon plated stuff is really only for people wanting to race, and you'd get more bang for you buck by running more mileage than you would buying a $400 carbon shoe. The really high end ones that are being talked about also deteriorate really fast. Think NASCAR tires. They're not using them for a Sunday drive, they're using them to rip it as fast as they can for X distance.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:42 am to Ingeniero
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companies will bevel the heel aggressively to make sure it's under the threshold, but that makes the shoe insanely uncomfortable and inefficient unless your foot lands a certain way:
I guess this would put more of an emphasis on avoiding heel strikes. Which I am sure they can compensate for with better therapy techniques for their knees, calves & achillies; but I cannot imagine that will be good for their long-term health of their legs & feet
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:45 am to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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I believe if you run for years on the streets, especially with thin old style shoes, you will have terrible knee and back problems when you're in your 60s, 70, and above and wish you could re-do what you ignored in your younger years. Don't skimp on your shoes.
I am definitely feeling all of those miles I put on pavement; especially when I crouch down to get eye level to the kids and am in that position for a long time.
Of course, my years of pavement running are most likely a minor reason for my current ailments. I never listened to my body when I was in my teens & 20s; and always figured if I could wrap it up and manage the pain, I could just keep going.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:48 am to Bunk Moreland
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Interestingly, I ran a search on the issue and stumbled on an article that all the winners are consuming the same energy gel.
the science behind carb loading before and during races is what is driving these records moreso than the shoes
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