Pettifogger

I'm not sure I'm even bothered by the racism/prejudice, if that's what it is.

It's just insane that a contingent of people can convince themselves of this mindless stupidity. "Don't go to where you're the only black face" - when doing exactly this increases the safety of your own child.

That second clip :lol:

"This is bullshite!"

"Close the store down!"

Like yeah dude, I think they're going to.

I enjoyed learning about F1 and how everything worked, the venues, teams, history.

But when it comes to watching the races...I just never got hooked.

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so they can suck little peckers also.

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men saying stuff like this is about as big of a red flag as you can find

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Grown men wearing their caps backwards

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100% do this by the pool all the time and I'm ok that you're not ok with it

most of the others are good

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Even for the Elite class, say the top of the top, I always wonder how much of it is them being genuinely bought into their bullshite vs them just being complete nihilist psychos who don't care about the consequences of their actions because they'll never have to deal with them.

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If you mean radically left political movements, a very small percentage, IMO. I think the reality is that at those levels, there are very few ways to separate yourself from other elites. Most are areligious, and thus morality isn't a faith component. So it comes from being vegan or being antiracist or giving a bunch of money to equity funds. It's the same reason people in those spaces buy transgressive art.

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But even that is hard to support, when I try to think about their perspective. For instance, if I lived in a gated neighborhood and outside of my neighborhood was a cesspit of drug addicts, prostitutes, gangs, etc. Even if I can control things so that I never have to deal with any of those problems, so that I never even run into them...when I'm at home standing in my yard I wouldn't want to look at a 3rd world war zone across the street even if it was making me rich. That's what I don't get. Even if you're never affected, what makes these bozos want to live in a 3rd world country?

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Yeah but if this person says that to their friends, it'll be heard as "why don't we clean up all the disgusting poor people" - which is a moral failing in their very limited moral/ethical framework. Their moral metric is leaning into an 8 year old transitioning or a homeless encampment being allowed to fester in front of businesses. What I take from it isn't that they're evil or whatever - they're just vapid in the extreme. There is no "there, there."

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The issue isn't democracy itself. The issue is who you vote for is becoming less important. The government is owned by corporate and foreign interests and looks at serving the people of the United States as an afterthought.

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I think this is close but it's too simplistic (not necessarily you, but when picked up by the average guy as a theme).

I think most minds go to some sort of occupy Wall Street "big oil/bank" type fat rich tycoon benefitting off us having no say in our lives and creating tension, and sure, there is some of that. I think parts of the right go to some sort of master puppeteer Soros thing devoted to some loosely communist end - and there is some truth to that too.

I think the reality is a bit less dramatic and a lot more problematic as a result. It's a combination of those globalist "haves" manipulating things to their advantage, sure, but it's in the form of a system built 80 years ago and largely operating with minimal direction. There are clear winners, but they're not even necessarily the people doing underhanded stuff to sustain it. See the thousands/millions of EU bureaucrat-class types that sustain the complete disconnect between what is happening in European policy and what actually benefits native Europeans, all with regular citizens questioning how X happened without anyone ever really voting for it.

That's my Ted talk synopsis on this, anyway.

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I would argue that those problems are the inevitable outcome of Liberalism. It's not like they developed in a lab and were just tossed on our Government like a particular bird flu or something. We're seeing end-stage Liberalism here, particularly the postwar consensus.

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I mean we're probably pretty close.

But what I'm saying is that if you redid the last century without an influx of non-European immigration (or even Europe+latin America) - and maintained tighter controls on the leaks - border, welfare parameters, etc. you'd be in a better position. If you retained more cultural Christianity in the country - which is obviously harder mechanically than the policy choices - it would be that much better.

I would accept the idea that liberalism always dilutes those things by nature, but the PWC flavor of liberalism is probably worse in that it arose directly to counter strong themes and connective tissue - borders, religion, nationalism, so forth.

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I would like to think so, but there is nothing to base that hope on, to date. We just watched 30 million illegals - many fit military aged males - poor in across our border, unchecked, and when the next Democrat takes office, we will watch it, again. And yes, I understand the problem ranges way beyond the border, but it’s an example of how complacent we are.

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I'll give us credit than the UK. But even if you slash the figure by 1/5, something like 50,000 girls were raped by invaders and the system their forebears built to protect the spit in their face. And what happened? Nothing. More invasion.

Essentially, we're asking a bunch of people with skin in the game - the contingent with the most skin the game, actually - to put it on the line against every institution in the west, all while a ton of their fellow citizens and most of the women they'd be doing this partially to help tell them they're bad for pursuing it. It is a legitimately hard ask, bordering on "never going to happen."

Well, there is a decent chance your next GOP presidential nominee is the most post liberal in modern history.

Liberalism can work, at least for longer than it has in our case, but it can't work very well or for very long untethered from the structures that support and birthed it.

You're just not going to have a highly multicultural, often borderless, areligious, geographically spread out welfare state with liberal governance without ever-growing fractures and problems. People will act like you're insane for acknowledging this, or a political zealot, when it's an inescapable human nature reality rather than a political position.