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re: Reports of over 20 young camp girls missing In TX floods
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:47 pm to 257WBY
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:47 pm to 257WBY
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Weather warnings do cause fatigue, but when you have 700 kids in your care, you damn well need to pay attention.
I read they had been evacuating the cabins starting 2 am, and that someone from Mystic called all the local camps to rouse and alert them to the danger
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:52 pm to MikeD
Saw this pic on TxAgs yesterday. The two cabins housing the girls that are missing are in red (twins and bubble inn). It sounds like they started by evacuating the ones further down the line near the river first and the water just rose faster and higher than they could handle.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:55 pm to CapitalTiger
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In this same realm, I find it interesting that 38 years ago, the NWS made direct contact with Camp Mystic. Being presumptive here but the meteorologists were likely local having deep knowledge of the area and those facilities along the river. The mobility of careers in this era results in a higher likelihood of the staff at the NWS - despite being highly skilled - not having the intimate awareness of the area.
You see this in severe thunderstorm/tornado warnings where local meteorologists that have either grown up or been in that community for years get down to the granular level of neighborhoods, street intersections, etc. vs. the transplants that simply read off town/community names that the computer spits out.
it would seem that these camps, especially ones housing hundreds or thousands of children should have a direct line to whoever in the county is considered the emergency/disaster coordinator. Hopefully we will learn a lesson from this and improve. I saw where a lady that owns a campground had contacted the sheriffs dept to ask if they had any information but they said they didnt at around 2-3am. I am sure more info will come out, but maybe some complacency set in on top of a historic event. and while I a sure it is a hard decision to make to uproot hundreds of kids at 2 or 3 in the morning, better safe than sorry imo.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:57 pm to 257WBY
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Weather warnings do cause fatigue, but when you have 700 kids in your care, you damn well need to pay attention. Same goes for owning a campground on the riverbank.
Absolutely, please dont take what I said as any disagreement with that.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:59 pm to MikeD
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I think the whole camp was being actively evacuated, so I’m sure they were aware. Those cabins had never flooded before and were likely considered safe and the last to be evacuated.
I recall reading a post on the TexAgs thread yesterday that said the girls in Bubble Inn/Twins cabins had begun evacuating but were hit with a massive wall of water pretty much as soon as (or shortly after) evacuation of their cabins began. Horrible.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:01 pm to TakingStock
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I recall reading a post on the TexAgs thread yesterday that said the girls in Bubble Inn/Twins cabins had begun evacuating but were hit with a massive wall of water pretty much as soon as (or shortly after) evacuation of their cabins began. Horrible
Yeah, the owners truck was swept away when they were trying to evacuate the girls in those two cabins.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:07 pm to CapitalTiger
Not throwing blame on anyone, but I just heard on the white house news briefing there were documented warnings of extreme rainfall and potential flooding days before. At least one on 7/2, and three on 7/3. The flash flood warnings are the ones that came late on 7/3 and early morning (1am) on 7/4.
This is absolutely a very horrible situation and couldn't even imagine if I were a parent here. My daughter used to go to summer camp in Tyler TX (Pine Cove) when she was 8-12 years old. So sad.
My prayers go out to all the girls, their families, and the 1st responders.
This is absolutely a very horrible situation and couldn't even imagine if I were a parent here. My daughter used to go to summer camp in Tyler TX (Pine Cove) when she was 8-12 years old. So sad.
My prayers go out to all the girls, their families, and the 1st responders.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:13 pm to CapitalTiger
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I know some counties throughout tornado zones have issues with sirens going off and folks not heeding them because of the frequency. It's a fine line.
It also seems like flash flood warnings are handed out fairly frequently as well including to areas where the biggest concern is water breaching house based on normal drainage patterns being overwhelmed or some roads flooding and making driving dangerous. I get flash flood warnings & alerts from national and city, and I don’t live near water. Outside of driving or not I ignore the ones about flooding.
I would hope if I am by a creek or river of any size I would pay more attention to them, but some people’s phone settings may not allow emergency alerts to override silent mode or may not be set with emergency alerts turned on at all and only allow a less intrusive notification from an app or text for these situations if any at all.
There probably also needs to be an upgraded alert including the name for the kind of flooding that was seen with this flooding to distinguish between the flash flood warnings some see multiple times a month that are for the possibility of issues much less of a concern than a 30 something foot wave of water heading downstream towards you (maybe there is as I have never been around a river when flash flooding was a concern).
I wonder if the guy on vacation with family in the story about his visiting parents from Puerto Rico, wife, and daughter being swept away and missing had turned off the sound for such alerts while asleep. For amber alerts I have mine off in middle of the night but can still be woken up by someone else’s phone getting the Amber alert in another bedroom even one on another floor. Those things are loud and last for a while. If after being woken up by the noise of others he then saw an emergency alert that was sent 6 minutes before he had to have silenced it based on probably getting too many where he lives that seem to be overkill (or possibly left it on other side of the house/cabin and not concerned about receiving alert due to not knowing the area or its history). If it just took several minutes after checking outside and seeing water at threshold to then overwhelm the house I am not sure what 6 minutes would have given them, but it seems like any additional time might have helped them to get out and away from house (not sure if higher ground accessible nearby).
Not blaming them but agreeing with your point about too many warnings that start to appear like overreaction will lead to them being ignored including with device settings not just the outdoor sirens.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:18 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Yeah, the owners truck was swept away when they were trying to evacuate the girls in those two cabins.
Wonder if there was enough ceiling height to allow the girls to have sheltered in place and floated on mattresses. The TexAgs thread mentioned that happening in one of the cabins and a camp worker named Glen stayed with them the whole time.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:20 pm to MikeD
Some of those cabins didn’t have rafters allowing the campers to keep their head above water in the cabin.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:23 pm to MikeD
the cabins have different ceiling designs that didnt allow for the kids to float higher into the rafters. (I believe. I have not been in either of those cabins).
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:25 pm to 257WBY
We have too much tech for this to happen.
Let's say we didn't even have forecasters.
Moving forward, why not have cameras set up on various spots of the river and pay a damn security guard to sit there and watch them. shite starts to rise, send out the alert.
The camp staff should not be blamed imo. They were heroes. This is the kind of thing that is just a combination of a million different things that go wrong.
I hope and believe these camps will rebuild with preventative measures and be better than ever. Anyone taking delight in this can get fricked.
Let's say we didn't even have forecasters.
Moving forward, why not have cameras set up on various spots of the river and pay a damn security guard to sit there and watch them. shite starts to rise, send out the alert.
The camp staff should not be blamed imo. They were heroes. This is the kind of thing that is just a combination of a million different things that go wrong.
I hope and believe these camps will rebuild with preventative measures and be better than ever. Anyone taking delight in this can get fricked.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:29 pm to ghost2most
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hope and believe these camps will rebuild with preventative measures and be better than ever.
they will.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:30 pm to ghost2most
The needed technology is available, but hasn’t been deployed on the Guadalupe River. The state says it would cost $9.5 million. That could be covered by private donations before sundown today.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:32 pm to jasonbr1975
1. There were absolutely warnings issued by NWS
2. This area is a known flood hazard area.
3. This camp has experience dangerous flash floods before.
This was a disaster 40 years in the making.
2. This area is a known flood hazard area.
3. This camp has experience dangerous flash floods before.
This was a disaster 40 years in the making.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:33 pm to ghost2most
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pay a damn security guard to sit there and watch them
Except we hate government workers and think they're all useless.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:33 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Does a security guard need to be a government employee? I don’t think so.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:34 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:35 pm to Fletch1985
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The thing is, this is not infrequent for the hill country. It happens over and over again. This is a more severe loss of life including children than typical but the floods are frequent. The area is called “flash flood alley” and has been extensively studied as the most flash flood prone part of the US.
Sirens were installed and went off in Comfort (Kendall county), downstream from Hunt and Kerrville. Kerr county decided not to spend the money.
Based on the reports of those who have been missing or deceased, they are predominantly folks there on vacation. Leads me to believe most locals (and their officials) live in parts of the county that are out of the river's impact. Hindsight here, but hard to vote on additional taxes for something that doesn't benefit you directly.
Kendall County includes far more primary residences being closer to San Antonio.
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