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re: Reports of over 20 young camp girls missing In TX floods
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:15 am to Kansas City King
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:15 am to Kansas City King
quote:how hard is it to have a river gauge in place that would sound an alarm if the water level exceeded a certain depth?
What lessons can we take away from this tragedy to make sure it doesn't happen again?
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:16 am to nola tiger lsu
Weather warnings do cause fatigue, but when you have 700 kids in your care, you damn well need to pay attention. Same goes for owning a campground on the riverbank.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:16 am to elprez00
Cell service is also really spotty on those little towns along the Guad and Frio rivers. Remote areas and canyons in some places and not sure how many folks got these alerts on their phones. Certainly none of the young kids would have.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:16 am to elprez00
dbl
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 9:17 am
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:18 am to Chicken
Not hard to have warning gauges at all. The proposal for the entire Guadalupe River system is $9.5 million. If the government can’t afford it, the families of campers can cover that with private donations. Many of the camp attendees are from extremely wealthy families.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:18 am to Kansas City King
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What lessons can we take away from this tragedy to make sure it doesn't happen again?
Sorry to inform you, but this is part of living life and it's going to happen again somewhere and at sometime. The answer is to be alert, prepared, and accept that bad stuff happens.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:19 am to Nado Jenkins83
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In the pitch black of night it can be pretty scary. We always have our exit route planned before we camp.
On the water locally, always tuned in to marine weather vhf.
There was a similar flood at Albert Pike in Arkansas over a decade ago.
Albert Pike floods
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:19 am to Pecos Pedro
Thanks for posting this. First public confirmation Ive seen that our family friends daughter did not survive. Rest in Peace, Lainey Landry.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:23 am to fwtex
Do you know why deaths from extreme weather events have declined considerably over the last century? Its not because of lower frequency of extreme weather events, its because humans have learned and evolved and put more protections in place to incrementally reduce the impact of weather on our safety and lives.
This is like saying people in earthquake prone areas shouldnt build earthquake rated housing or we should eliminate warning systems in tornado alley, because "frick it, thats life"
This is like saying people in earthquake prone areas shouldnt build earthquake rated housing or we should eliminate warning systems in tornado alley, because "frick it, thats life"
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:25 am to fwtex
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Sorry to inform you, but this is part of living life and it's going to happen again somewhere and at sometime. The answer is to be alert, prepared, and accept that bad stuff happens.
People were neither alert nor prepared. Your post is stupid.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:27 am to Chicken
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how hard is it to have a river gauge in place that would sound an alarm if the water level exceeded a certain depth?
I'd venture to say not hard at all. The challenge comes into determining exactly where these gauges need to be, what water level sounds the alarm, how far downstream do the alarms sound, etc.?
This is also a rather remote area, right? 40+ weeks out of the year, are the alarms even preventing anything?
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:31 am to CapitalTiger
well, I would think each camp would have their own...and have them pay for it
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:33 am to CapitalTiger
Flash flooding is no joke and I can’t imagine dealing with that at night. The small creek on my property will rise 10-12’ in a matter of hours after a rain.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:33 am to Dawgsontop34
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Mystic will re-open its doors.
1. The Cypress Camp wasnt damaged. Just the original one.
2. Its not like Mystic wasnt evacuating kids up the hill and ignored warnings.
3. I think you guys on here from other states underestimate the alumni base of Mystic. It’s bigger than some SEC schools and just as passionate.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 9:41 am
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:37 am to 257WBY
I know people want to have someone to blame, because that makes it easier to comprehend.
And yes, obviously if you would have known that this thing, that has not ever happened in the 99 years of the camp was going to happen, in the middle of the night, in the span of a little over an hour, you would have prepared differently.
It’s just so difficult to prepare for something like this. The NWS sent a flash flood emergency at 4am. There was not enough time to evacuate every kid at that point by the time the flood hit. Hindsight is obviously much easier for once-in-a-lifetime situations.
And yes, obviously if you would have known that this thing, that has not ever happened in the 99 years of the camp was going to happen, in the middle of the night, in the span of a little over an hour, you would have prepared differently.
It’s just so difficult to prepare for something like this. The NWS sent a flash flood emergency at 4am. There was not enough time to evacuate every kid at that point by the time the flood hit. Hindsight is obviously much easier for once-in-a-lifetime situations.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:41 am to GeauxTigers123
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I do wonder if the camps will look into moving the sleeping cabins to higher ground moving forward.
I mean it’s a perfect storm of that it happened during the middle of the night.
We probably won’t ever know if the young campers from Mystic had any idea what was even going on.
i think that all of these camps need to rethink putting the youngest kids closest to the river.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:41 am to Chicken
quote:
how hard is it to have a river gauge in place that would sound an alarm if the water level exceeded a certain depth?
Apologies if this is a dumb question, but how much more warning does a river gauge provide if the river rises 30 ft in 2 hours?
Are we talking additional hours of severe flash flood warning downstream or would it be like an additional 30 or so minutes of warning?
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 9:43 am
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:41 am to Dawgsontop34
Agreed, and my statement above was not to place any blame at all on Mystic or weather service. This is literally a 500-1000 year event. Some of the levels these floodwaters reached pre-date any development in these areas. Just for extreme caution moving forward pointing out steps that can be taken.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:43 am to John Casey
quote:a loud arse siren blaring when water gets to within so many feet of cabins would get people's asses moving...
Apologies if this is a dumb question, but how much more warning would a river gauge provide if the river rises 30 ft in 2 hours?
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:45 am to lsugradman
This is a confluence of the absolute worst conditions imaginable. Extreme drought, abnormally heavy rains over a short period, early morning hours, areas with poor cell signals, young children in lower lying areas. Basically every drop of rain in the entire watershed came down the Guadalupe. Its a once in a multiple lifetime event.
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