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If this has legs I hope everyone is as mad at this as they were about Obama sending piles of cash


So Iran is more empowered than they were before the war. Wonderful deal Trump negotiated
Our Arab allies were sick of their energy infrastructure getting destroyed when it was clear the United States lacked the resolve to finish the job we started.
Trump got owned by the Iranians if what is being reported is accurate. We wasted lives and treasure on this garbage.
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Then Trump deserves to be pushed off the island. Might as well stuck with the Obama deal. I’m borderline actually mad at the idiot.


It’s hard to believe but Iran may actually come out better in a better position from this deal than they were before the war.
If these reports are true, Trump is getting played badly by Iran and there is absolutely no denying that. The entire operation will have been an abject failure.
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So a 2-week ceasefire that's turned into a month and a half has helped Iran rebuild their military capabilities? Shocking.
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Oman is putting a target on itself by partnering with Iran on the SOH.


So the primary outcome of this conflict is a tolling system and a drastic reduction in daily vessel traffic in the Strait of Hormuz? Wonderful.
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Rueters: Irans Supreme Leader ordered that ALL near weapons grade uranium must stay in Iran.


Trump is about to move the goalposts on Monday “out of respect for the highly respected Field Marshal of Pakistan”
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Israel is a sovereign country- they should just start bombing alone, like they proved they could do last summer.


So Trump wants to commit to end the war and then negotiate? Brilliant strategy.
Now you have to worry about Trump making a bad deal just to "make a deal" because it's clear he wants an exit ramp. If a "deal" is reached, don't be surprised to see a deal that doesn't address the enriched uranium.
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Trump really needs to quit saying that "Iran wants to make a deal very badly." It's a bad joke at this point and everyone knows that is not the case.



Oil won't plummet as fast as some expect in that case. It will take a few months for the logistics to work themselves out and for Middle Eastern infrastructure to be re-built and there will be a premium that will continue to be paid for access to easy, safe American barrels.
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Have you taken a history class? It's a well-established fact that after every war—except for the Korean War, because it is still truly ongoing and no one has been "defeated"—there are always remnants or pockets of resistance, even in defeat.


Yes, but Trump's implication throughout his Truths and messaging regarding Iran being "defeated" is that they don't pose a threat anymore. He's backtracking on that now since there really is no easy exit ramp here and we've entered into a stalemate of asymmetric warfare that will likely keep oil prices above $90 for the next year at least.
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Damn, you don't use your brain, do you? Since their AF and navy are done, retaliation comes from drones and other things easily hidden in houses, schools, etc.



So Iran isn't defeated then?
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DJT is stuck and has one of two choices: resume with no intent of stopping - don't care if Ghandi steps in - or walk away and leave the ME more volatile than ever



Apparently Trump confirmed that Middle Eastern allies called and asked him to hold off on new attacks fearing new retaliation. In turn, Trump just said that Iran "still has some capacity" to retaliate which will not surprising directly contradicts his constant proclamations that Iran is "decimated" and "defeated". That type of language is significantly hurting the messaging around this conflict.
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What I’m not fine with is the limp wrist Ed response when Iran has not shown a change in position since this started and is simply stalling. Trump is looking foolish at this point.


Fully agree. For someone who prides himself on being "tough" and a bit of a wild card, Trump is clearly afraid of deepening the conflict and is looking for an off ramp. Unfortunately, that won't be so easy given the type of actor the United States is dealing with.
Do we believe Trump that the Middle Eastern leaders told him not to attack? I'm not really even sure what to believe anymore. I do find it interesting that the UAE has attacked Iran themselves but now they're begging Trump to restrain himself?
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TACO is such old news, there's a new name for him

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:lol: I'm starting to believe that will be the case. How much is being wasted in taxpayer dollars on this boondoggle?
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Holding off at the request of other Muslim nations again.... When will he realize that at this point it's just one ideology trying to protect itself, despite it's factional differences?



He's become pathetic at this point. He's only concerned about the reaction of the stock market to any renewed military action. "Serious negotiations are now taking place...a deal will be made". How many times have we heard that nonsense? The Iranian leaders (whoever remains) have to be loving this.
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Trump is content to let this situation continue in perpetuity and the price of oil won't drop below $90 for probably the next 8 months+ at this point.
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Then maybe it would be a good idea for the President and Secretary of War to stop telling everybody constantly that Iran is "decimated", "they have nothing", and "have no ability to fight back at all". People tend to believe what they are told repeatedly, and then have a hard time understanding how an enemy that supposedly has nothing is still able to shut down a major international waterway.

Trump and Hegseth's constant need to stroke their own ego and make sure everybody knows they have totally, completely won the war better than anyone else ever has won a war is probably backfiring now

I don't think it's crazy to suggest that the public perception of the war would be 10-15 points higher in Trump's favor if he simply didn't have access to Truth Social


Spot on. While this isn't likely to become a Vietnamesque "quagmire", it certainly has the potential to remain a long lasting stalemate where Iran wields all the power to attack vessel traffic in the Strait of Hormuz at will and the price of oil doesn't drop below $90 for the foreseeable future.

I don't think people appreciate how much damage Iran did to oil & gas export infrastructure in the Middle East over the past few months. Unfortunately, short of regime change and a clear indication Iran's nuclear capabilities have been destroyed and the enriched uranium is seized, this whole operation didn't really accomplish all that much strategically in the long run.
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Ceasefire was a mistake and trying to make a deal is a mistake


I’m afraid Trump has gotten played badly by Pakistan throughout this whole conflict.