TakingStock

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Correct We will never return as the surrounding circumstances will never present, again ---- Gulf States, Hebrew State, No Nothing Europe....Iranian proxies neutralized. Why is beyond my limited comprehension and I doubt seriously any explanation will be satisfactory Almost 5 decades of their Imperialistic bloodlust and seemingly DJT blinks....

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Iran was on their heels and then Trump foolishly gave in to a ceasefire, likely worried about the initial stock and oil market pressures. He followed that up with empty threats that have only served to embolden Iran. Iran is likely to be in a materially stronger position post-war than not, especially since their neighbors (with limited exception of the UAE) refused to take their own military action and Iran can wage asymmetrical warfare in the Strait to force future capitulation.

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If this has legs I hope everyone is as mad at this as they were about Obama sending piles of cash

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So Iran is more empowered than they were before the war. Wonderful deal Trump negotiated

Trump got owned by the Iranians if what is being reported is accurate. We wasted lives and treasure on this garbage.

If these reports are true, Trump is getting played badly by Iran and there is absolutely no denying that. The entire operation will have been an abject failure.

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Oman is putting a target on itself by partnering with Iran on the SOH.

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So the primary outcome of this conflict is a tolling system and a drastic reduction in daily vessel traffic in the Strait of Hormuz? Wonderful.

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Israel is a sovereign country- they should just start bombing alone, like they proved they could do last summer.

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So Trump wants to commit to end the war and then negotiate? Brilliant strategy.

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Trump really needs to quit saying that "Iran wants to make a deal very badly." It's a bad joke at this point and everyone knows that is not the case.

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Oil won't plummet as fast as some expect in that case. It will take a few months for the logistics to work themselves out and for Middle Eastern infrastructure to be re-built and there will be a premium that will continue to be paid for access to easy, safe American barrels.

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Damn, you don't use your brain, do you? Since their AF and navy are done, retaliation comes from drones and other things easily hidden in houses, schools, etc.

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So Iran isn't defeated then?

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What I’m not fine with is the limp wrist Ed response when Iran has not shown a change in position since this started and is simply stalling. Trump is looking foolish at this point.

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Fully agree. For someone who prides himself on being "tough" and a bit of a wild card, Trump is clearly afraid of deepening the conflict and is looking for an off ramp. Unfortunately, that won't be so easy given the type of actor the United States is dealing with.

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TACO is such old news, there's a new name for him

Not
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Hormuz
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:lol: I'm starting to believe that will be the case. How much is being wasted in taxpayer dollars on this boondoggle?

TACO :lol:

Trump is content to let this situation continue in perpetuity and the price of oil won't drop below $90 for probably the next 8 months+ at this point.