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re: Oregon becomes first state to end private equity and corporate control of doctor practices
Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:38 am to jclem11
Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:38 am to jclem11
Big win for the Hospital Lobby now they can consolidate practices and charge hospital rates which are higher than outpatient surgery center rates
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:44 am to More beer please
The standardized /streamlined operations PE acquisitions provide are very beneficial to auxiliary industries such engineering and r&d. Cost savings, standardized contracts, reliability, direct access to experts, etc. I have seen first hand how it can tremendously benefit product development by gathering a cohort of businesses under one umbrella. Clients of mine are under PE umbrellas so I get to see first hand their impact.
This also means it can have an adverse negative impact on product development as it can then become the source of a bottleneck. Basically the PE controlled entities determine speed of production. Betting all you eggs in this basket gives them a sizable amount power, especially if they’re looked as a vendor that will rate limiting to your product development.
This also means it can have an adverse negative impact on product development as it can then become the source of a bottleneck. Basically the PE controlled entities determine speed of production. Betting all you eggs in this basket gives them a sizable amount power, especially if they’re looked as a vendor that will rate limiting to your product development.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:52 am to TheOcean
I do find it amusing the pro business loving republicans who favor privatization of everything, are against this. This is your doing.
It’s a direct byproduct of the Republican pro-business,” at any cost “mentality, and the push to prefer privately ran companies, with little to no regulations, over govt ran entities.
It’s as if republicans don’t even know their potential worse selves. So blinded by profits, greed and commerce, they aren’t taking the time to do the long term forecasting of the potential ramifications of scaling business models like this.
The whole “get mines now, who cares if it wrecks shop later” mentality is so selfish and played out. Especially when you’re already making record profits. We could have avoided this if people could have been more judicial with how we approach this.
It’s a direct byproduct of the Republican pro-business,” at any cost “mentality, and the push to prefer privately ran companies, with little to no regulations, over govt ran entities.
It’s as if republicans don’t even know their potential worse selves. So blinded by profits, greed and commerce, they aren’t taking the time to do the long term forecasting of the potential ramifications of scaling business models like this.
The whole “get mines now, who cares if it wrecks shop later” mentality is so selfish and played out. Especially when you’re already making record profits. We could have avoided this if people could have been more judicial with how we approach this.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:58 am to jclem11
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PE is nothing but bad news for everything it touches
100%!
It has destroyed civil engineering consulting.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 12:01 pm to jclem11
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Private Equity. Context clues aren't your strong suit eh pal?
To be fair, there were no numbers in the OP making it nearly impossible for us engineers to comprehend.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 12:17 pm to rickgrimes
A Matt stoller tweet on the OT. How the mighty have fallen
Posted on 6/11/25 at 12:22 pm to jclem11
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Private Equity. Context clues aren't your strong suit eh pal?
I would've needed to read the thread for context. I didn't read the thread.
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 6/11/25 at 12:33 pm to rickgrimes
I’d have to read more to determine whether I like the way they went about doing this, but conceptually I’m in support.
These equity groups are not acting in the best interest of the average patient.
These equity groups are not acting in the best interest of the average patient.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 12:48 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Are they also going to control malpractice insurance costs?
Govt budgets are going to skyrocket if so.
If not, the number of doctors is going to be decimated.
This will have major ramifications beyond "corporate doctor bad"
Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:17 pm to StrongSafety
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prefer privately ran companies, with little to no regulations
This proves you don't know a mound of ant shite.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:29 pm to More beer please
“veterinarians are notoriously bad business owners”
Not sure if Drs are any better.Clinic my wife used to work at,the Drs.all fought amongst themselves(clash,of egos)They still did very well because they had some very good Drs,very good office manager that held it together,and a multitude of pts with heart disease.
The best Drs left,retired,my wife left too.Not doing as well.
My wife always credited the office manager for keeping it from devolving into chaos when she was there.She ran that office with an iron fist,told the Drs. how it as going to be.I think they tolerated it because deep down they realized she was always right and had a very good business mind.
Not sure if Drs are any better.Clinic my wife used to work at,the Drs.all fought amongst themselves(clash,of egos)They still did very well because they had some very good Drs,very good office manager that held it together,and a multitude of pts with heart disease.
The best Drs left,retired,my wife left too.Not doing as well.
My wife always credited the office manager for keeping it from devolving into chaos when she was there.She ran that office with an iron fist,told the Drs. how it as going to be.I think they tolerated it because deep down they realized she was always right and had a very good business mind.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:58 pm to StrongSafety
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Especially when you’re already making record profits.
This is a little outside of the thread topic, but the constant references I see nowadays to “record profits” when talking about certain businesses/industries are silly.
It would be much more telling if a business isn’t recording record or near-record profits (in dollars, not margin) in 2025.
The economy grows every year naturally (US population increased 18% from 2000 to 2020). Inflation has been absurd the past few years on top of that. Companies should generate more revenue and therefore more profit each year. That’s without getting into the impacts of M&A / consolidation.
Saying [insert company] had a record $x billion in profit last year doesn’t really mean anything.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:21 pm to rickgrimes
So is this just to end arbitrary corporate control of medical standards/case by case care decision making from on high from an arbitrary corporate level?
Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:22 pm to rickgrimes
Based Oregon 
Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:33 pm to lsupride87
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I just don’t see what the move or the out is for PE in this world. Who can they “sell to” so to speak?
PE sucks the profits out, cooks the books and flips it to a bigger PE firm. Profit
Posted on 6/11/25 at 8:16 pm to rickgrimes
Now do single family homes in real estate nationwide
Posted on 6/11/25 at 8:26 pm to BigBinBR
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A lot of PE companies also leverage one company to buy another, load the original company up with tons of debt from the purchase, syphon off all the profits, then have the original company declare bankruptcy and shut down which wipes their debt. Rince and repeat with a new business.
Yep. Look at toys r us. Get a collateral free loan through a buddy at Goldman Sachs, buy the company, get your buddy over at the totally not connected real estate company to purchase, then charge the company rent on the property, then call your other buddy at the totally not connected management firm who charges $500/hr in consulting fees, then offshore everything you can. Thats the playbook.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 8:31 pm to Masterag
You really hate private equity.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You really hate private equity.
There’s a lot of really really bad dudes in private equity. Scummy individuals
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:21 pm to rickgrimes
Not sure how I feel about this.
On the one hand, PE companies mostly DGAS about anything but profits. Some in the the medical industry do a good job but most don’t.
However, if I run a practice and want to sell so I can cash out why should the govt get involved?
On the one hand, PE companies mostly DGAS about anything but profits. Some in the the medical industry do a good job but most don’t.
However, if I run a practice and want to sell so I can cash out why should the govt get involved?
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