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re: Louisiana’s $2-Billion Gamble: Flood the Land to Save the Coast
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:42 am to BorrisMart
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:42 am to BorrisMart
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ETA: I've always read the map doesn't really portray what the state looks like anymore. Does anyone have a link to what it actually looks like now from a map perspective? Or oiriginally? Or is what we see on the map the original land formation?
Closest you can get is a satellite view from Google, USGS, or NOAA. There is a lot of dying marsh in the area south of where this project is supposed to be. I'm assuming that it's struggling with saltwater intrusion after the latest batch of storms.
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Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:43 am to goofball
This has been talked about for at least 40 years.
It takes an unacceptable amount of time to implement these projects.
Similar to traffic light synchronization project here in East Baton Rouge Parish, talked about for 40 years and still not implemented.
Queen Mayor passed a street improvement tax about 3 years ago: nothing appears to be happening.
The parish has received over $200 million for drainage improvements in response to the Historic 2016 Flood. So far the parish has a software program to locate flooding spots and problematic catch basins in the parish. Software will not widen the creeks and drainage canals.
This is beyond galling.
It takes an unacceptable amount of time to implement these projects.
Similar to traffic light synchronization project here in East Baton Rouge Parish, talked about for 40 years and still not implemented.
Queen Mayor passed a street improvement tax about 3 years ago: nothing appears to be happening.
The parish has received over $200 million for drainage improvements in response to the Historic 2016 Flood. So far the parish has a software program to locate flooding spots and problematic catch basins in the parish. Software will not widen the creeks and drainage canals.
This is beyond galling.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:45 am to dewster
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I admit that I don't know very much about LiGO. I'm pretty close to the Fermilab campus outside Chicago. I assume LiGO is doing similar work as Fermilab?
LSU LiGO website
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:46 am to goofball
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“We know we need land,” says George Ricks, a charter boat captain and founder of the Save Louisiana Coalition, a nonprofit fighting the development of the diversion. “But this is going to destroy our commercial fishing and recreational fishing communities—it’s going to bring great hardship.”
It won’t destroy shite.
It’ll move it around a bit, push it a few more miles further maybe. But the habitat will not get destroyed.
Spoiler. Louisiana coast looks different every generation for the last 150,000 years.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:47 am to Aforem7
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As a practicing coastal engineer who has used this facility, I can promise you this is not a waste of money. LSU is one of the leading schools for coastal research and this facility is a huge asset
Yeah. The focus on coastal restoration is a value-add for LSU to the state. We need to translate those research dollars into real positive outcomes. This is absolutely not a waste of money. At worst, it's bringing research dollars into LSU and into a state that may not have the political drive to actually improve the coast. At best, it's resulting in improvements to the state's coastline.
There are a few major projects in the works that's going to be great for Louisiana. This is a long game though. It's not going to turn things around right away.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:48 am to goofball
My brother in law is one of the nation's top coastal restoration engineers, and did a study a few years ago on eliminating the diversion structure at 3 rivers to allow the river to take it's natrually desired course.
The results were about 10 years of serious economic change followed by a healthy and more prosperous state with New Orleans no longer being the economic hub of the state. Instead, the main port would move towards Morgan City.
At the end of the day, it will never happen because we are too invested, so instead, we'll continue to throw christmas trees at the problem. This proposed project is a $2 Billion drop in the bucket and won't make any serious change to the overall problem.
The results were about 10 years of serious economic change followed by a healthy and more prosperous state with New Orleans no longer being the economic hub of the state. Instead, the main port would move towards Morgan City.
At the end of the day, it will never happen because we are too invested, so instead, we'll continue to throw christmas trees at the problem. This proposed project is a $2 Billion drop in the bucket and won't make any serious change to the overall problem.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:49 am to SantaFe
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It takes an unacceptable amount of time to implement these projects.
Funding has been the major roadblock. The secondary roadblock is political opposition.
There are some new sediment diversion projects in the works. You won't see a rapid change overnight. This is going to take decades of work and a multitude of new projects (small and large) every year.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:55 am to Quatre Pot
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a $2 Billion drop in the bucket and won't make any serious change to the overall problem.
Like every program in Louisiana.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:55 am to jimbeam
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move farther out into saltwater estuaries. Sorry
If the river still naturally flooded those species wouldn’t be in that area anyways
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:59 am to dewster
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Closest you can get is a satellite view from Google, USGS, or NOAA. There is a lot of dying marsh in the area south of where this project is supposed to be. I'm assuming that it's struggling with saltwater intrusion after the latest batch of storms.
Yeah I have checked google maps and it looks a little different but its hard to really tell the terrain. I'll check the other ones you mentioned. I don't know about maps and what classifies as "land" on one but I would be very interested in seeing how the State actually looks with the gulf cut off at the "land." Maybe it's accurate as is idk.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:00 am to Meauxjeaux
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“We know we need land,” says George Ricks, a charter boat captain and founder of the Save Louisiana Coalition, a nonprofit fighting the development of the diversion. “But this is going to destroy our commercial fishing and recreational fishing communities—it’s going to bring great hardship.”
It won’t destroy shite.
It’ll move it around a bit, push it a few more miles further maybe. But the habitat will not get destroyed.
Was thinking the same thing, the fish won't just sit there any die (not all of them). They will migrate and/or evolve. Hell, may even bring in different types of fish.
But, the mindset makes me laugh and how simple minded people are. He acknowledges that the State and the people of the State need this to help fight coastal erosion and protect other parts of the State. But, we can't do this because how will I make my living
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:05 am to Bigfishchoupique
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The coast will never be saved. You can’t rebuild with diversions what has been lost. Anyone that understand a Geologic time line can see this.
Tell that to the Dutch
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:07 am to goofball
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The state is now proposing a $2-billion plan, called the Mid-Barataria Sediment Diversion project
A friend of mine cough cough was the project accountant for this job. It isn't proposing, it has been in development for years already. This and Mid-Breton on the other side of the river
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:07 am to beerJeep
Oyster prices bout to skyrocket baw
---can we find a way to blame Biden?
---can we find a way to blame Biden?
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:11 am to WavinWilly
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I was in a class at LSU in 2007 where the professor was talking about this exact thing and trying to get it implemented. Just go ahead and do it already.
we didn’t even run a 40 year study yet. Someone has to make a career off of the study. Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:18 am to Sgt_Lincoln_Osiris
Question, did the Dutch lose land like Louisiana is losing land? Is there coast sinking? Is their large river being channeled beyond the continental shelf?
I believe the La. problem and the Dutch problem are not the same.
But maybe I am wrong?
I believe the La. problem and the Dutch problem are not the same.
But maybe I am wrong?
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 9:24 am
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:19 am to WavinWilly
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would also be curious if this worked and they took it even further what would happen to the water quality at places like orange beach. Wonder if it would get more like Destin or remain largely unchanged.
i wouldn't think it was effect the east as much, i have always wondered what Galveston would look like if the river was dumping its shite right there. A few years ago the winds of storm pushed the sentiment east and Galveston looked like this.
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 9:20 am
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:22 am to SantaFe
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This is beyond galling.
Stop electing shitty politicians.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:24 am to doubleb
quote:Correct
I believe the La. problem and the Dutch problem are not the same.
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:28 am to goofball
This should've been implemented 40 years ago, but at least someone is FINALLY trying to get the damage reversed. It sucks for the fishermen, but, in the long run they'll still have land for their homes decades from now.
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