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re: Louisiana’s $2-Billion Gamble: Flood the Land to Save the Coast
Posted on 2/22/22 at 6:21 pm to LSU Coyote
Posted on 2/22/22 at 6:21 pm to LSU Coyote
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Looks like a lot of money wasted.
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LSU Coyote
Go eat some more crystal meth you fricking loser
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Posted on 2/22/22 at 6:25 pm to rsbd
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Dredging and pumping works faster and better.. this is a money grab….
This costs more money.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 6:41 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Has this been proven in any other region of the world?
I believe China and the Netherlands have built similar projects. The ones in the Netherlands have been incredibly successful.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 6:52 pm to kingbob
I am not aware of any sediment diversions anywhere but Louisiana (soon)
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:06 pm to goofball
The way I look at it is if the waters are taking a football field worth of land away every hour, its our turn to take back some land.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:12 pm to Chalkywhite84
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False
Posted on 2/22/22 at 11:55 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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It won’t destroy shite.
It’ll move it around a bit, push it a few more miles further maybe. But the habitat will not get destroyed.
It will absolutely change the fishing. Anyone that fishes the Biloxi Marsh knows that when the Bonnet Carre Spillway is opened, the influx of river water destroys the fishing until the sediment has settled and the salinity returns to levels that species like speckled trout can live in.
Now, something has to be done and I have yet to see a better alternative. I love to fish down there but it will change bay fishing as long as they are opening those diversion canals. I also have not seen any proposed solutions by those that oppose these projects.
Of course it will change.
The whiner in the paper said destroy. That’s bullshite. It won’t destroy diddly poo.
CHANGE is ok. So you gotta drive 5 more minutes to get to the speck honey hole or the oyster bed. Boo boo.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:52 am to goofball
Let’s start small and figure out the algae in LSU lakes first. Carp didn’t work.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:15 am to Tarps99
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The real rub is with commercial fishermen who have grown too accustomed to areas that were fresh water a hundred years ago and became salty after levees were built and land eroded.
This is my thinking. They didn't have oysters in Empire in the 30s. The Levees were built, saltwater got close and the oyster farmers said we can make some reefs closer to our homes and we wont hve to travel as far. That's what happened, now they want to re-introduce the freshwater, which was already there as late as the 30s and the oyster fisherman are bitching.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 5:26 am to goofball
In order to gain land back the state and feds will have to do both dredging and diversions. People will be affected. It’s unfortunate, but necessary
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:36 am to rsbd
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Dredging and pumping works faster and better.. this is a money grab….
Dredging is the mother of all money grabs.
They make tens of thousands of dollars a day to suck up sediment and dump it back into the water 200 yards away, just so they can go suck it up there and dump it 200 yards away. It’s the best job security you can find.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:38 am to goofball
Coastal restoration is a scam. "Lets build back land for mother nature to take it back away in 30 years." $2 billion could build another Causeway or two more bridges over the Mississippi River.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:38 am to goofball
They've only been talking about whether or not to do this since at least the 80s, maybe longer. Are they ever going to do it or not? Literally I was in school in the 80s and they were discussing if they were going to do this or not. I don't know what is wrong with them re: making a decision on this. Do it or don't.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:52 am to slackster
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Dredging is the mother of all money grabs.
They make tens of thousands of dollars a day to suck up sediment and dump it back into the water 200 yards away, just so they can go suck it up there and dump it 200 yards away. It’s the best job security you can find.
Over reaction much?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:27 am to deathvalleytiger10
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It will absolutely change the fishing. Anyone that fishes the Biloxi Marsh knows that when the Bonnet Carre Spillway is opened, the influx of river water destroys the fishing until the sediment has settled and the salinity returns to levels that species like speckled trout can live in.
Spillway openings happen in the spring when trout would be moving further out towards the coast to spawn anyway before they come back into the marshes in the fall. Spillway opening makes a big impact in Lake P, but the effect as far east as Lake Borgne and Biloxi Marsh areas is exaggerated.
Delacroix fishing and eastbank of Plaquemines seems to be doing just fine despite the Carnaveron diversion and Mardi Gras Pass. You might have to travel a little more for clean water when the river is high, but as soon as the river comes down, the fish come right back
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:35 am to jimbeam
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Over reaction much?
How is it an overreaction if it’s factual? It’s a great gig because you don’t fix the problem, you just move it.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:41 am to slackster
1. I have never seen a marsh creation project “dump it back in the water 200 yards away”. It’s typically a 2-5 mile pump.
2. “You don’t fix the problem, you just move it.” While creating marsh via dredge isn’t THE long term solution IMO, how is creating marsh from sediment on a water bottom not beneficial? Couple this with the fact that often times the sediment is coming from somewhere that would be dredged anyway for navigational purposes, you’re getting the marsh for a low incremental cost.
This is like saying a road contractor (let’s not say Louisiana because then I would agree
) is in a money grab situation because the road will be no good one day.
2. “You don’t fix the problem, you just move it.” While creating marsh via dredge isn’t THE long term solution IMO, how is creating marsh from sediment on a water bottom not beneficial? Couple this with the fact that often times the sediment is coming from somewhere that would be dredged anyway for navigational purposes, you’re getting the marsh for a low incremental cost.
This is like saying a road contractor (let’s not say Louisiana because then I would agree
) is in a money grab situation because the road will be no good one day. This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 8:42 am
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:00 am to slackster
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How is it an overreaction if it’s factual? It’s a great gig because you don’t fix the problem, you just move it.
Weeks Marine has made a fortune over the past few decades doing exactly this off the NJ coast.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:06 am to CHEDBALLZ
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This is my thinking. They didn't have oysters in Empire in the 30s. The Levees were built, saltwater got close and the oyster farmers said we can make some reefs closer to our homes and we wont hve to travel as far. That's what happened, now they want to re-introduce the freshwater, which was already there as late as the 30s and the oyster fisherman are bitching.
regarding the oyster fishermen, and inshore commercial fisherman...this is 100% true. they will simply have to move where they fish. weekend warriors will have to do the same thing. this not a zero sum game. if the fishermen are the only one affected...this is the way to go.
to people differentiating dredging vs. diversions...while not an exact equivalent, a diversion is a permanent dredge.
i told the engineer for Plaquemines Parish after katrina that the levees should be blown up past Alliance or Poydras. Mother Nature knows better than any diversion or dredge. not gonna happen, but it will absolutely yield the best results.
some people early in this thread questioned if this project is happening....I can tell you that the Mid Barataria Diversion is 100% happening. I have been involved in certain parts of it. access roads should be starting in the next few months.
The Mid Breton project is two years or so away.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:40 am to goofball
Also need to open Bayou Lafourche to the Mississippi and create a diversion from the river into Lake Des Allemands. That would help create additional points of fresh water flowing into the Barataria Basin.
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