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re: Being/becoming a public school teacher in America is the worst career possible

Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:03 am to
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:03 am to
Mass schooling is far too one sized fits all. School parking lot is filled with different types / models / colors of cars that meet individual needs and wants. Go inside same school and find 1 or 2 “cars available on lot” for sale (education offerings), so to speak. Yet, latter will impact a lifetime.

That’s not a system problem. That is a perspective problem (not seeing the opportunity or effectively defining the problem), resulting in design error.

Get most of these right and costs per student fall, efficiency of resources increase, and better outcomes for individuals, families, communities…if system works to support.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:05 am to
Progressives fricked up Education when they pushed for mainstreaming.

Now its a money pit with districts rewarded for dysfunction.
Posted by cheobode
Member since Dec 2017
1545 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:06 am to
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In other words, it's like every other corporate job.


I had a few teachers complain via Facebook that they really aren't off during their summer break. That they still have to watch their own children so technically, they aren't off.

That's not how it works, honey.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49413 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:07 am to
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Yes it does. Look at any suburban district that has broken off from a nearby city. They all spend more money per pupil and have better outcomes.


Private schools allocate much less money per student that public schools in Louisiana and have exponentially better outcomes.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:11 am to
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Your quality of school correlates to the quality of student, which is primarily decided by parental action and DNA.


Parental action (and inaction), definitely.
Not by DNA. That is defeatist thinking at best and dangerously close to judging someone for who they are and not what they do at worst.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:32 am to
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Rich kids usually have better parents


Better parents usually have had better parents…that has yielded better economic opportunities for their descendants

Where the system begins and ends…parents. Put a key part of system focus (not necessarily money) there, and good things will result
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
7853 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:34 am to
I did that teaching gig at inner city schools here in Baton Rouge for 22 years.

Not every parish pays the same. Compare East Carroll Parish pay to Jefferson Parish pay.

Inner city schools here in BR are overflowing with culture. Most of the middle school kids I taught could read but they could not explain to you what it was that they read. Math? Lol, I had a class of kids adamantly tell me that I could not subtract 19 from 27 because the '9' was larger than the '7'.

But the largest problem was administration and those standardized tests. The kids did not give a damn about those tests and administration would constantly grind on the teachers about making the students 'more intelligent'. The administrators would never berate the students about their lack of care about education or about their low IQs.

Then there was the Student Violence.

It has become like a Mini Prison.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:38 am to
If you had a 3 wishes for LA public school system that would create the largest and longest positive impacts, what would they be?

Please include parents if you agree.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:41 am to
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Better parents usually have had better parents…that has yielded better economic opportunities for their descendants


"Better parents" value education. This is the primary distinction. Its kind of funny, but many private schools operate with less resources than public, and do a much better job.

Every child in America has access to the knowledge required to be successful in this life.

Every kid in my neighborhood graduated college, few of their parents did. It was very working class.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 8:49 am
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12692 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:41 am to
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That’s not a system problem. That is a perspective problem (not seeing the opportunity or effectively defining the problem), resulting in design error.


Design error, or not having a viable way for every student to have it their way not being viable?
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:01 am to
Not Burger King

Some people are great at math, language, science, working with hands, technical skills, arts…some exceptional ones all of above. Some are college bound. Others are technical school bound.

Some people are strong in logic, problem solving, creativity, leadership, helping others, entrepreneur, rare exceptions in all of the above.

Some people learn best by reading, others doing, seeing, listening/story telling, experiential, rare all above.

Greater customization is NOT impossible, limited only by time, space and archaic thinking. Not even money could limit.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
39169 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:07 am to
Ive always said we need to adjust our model at the HS level drastically. When a kid gets to their junior year a decision is made if they want to go on a university track or a "career" track. If they choose university track then they take courses like algebra 2 and whatever they may need for success in college. If they go on a "career" track then courses like algebra 2 that they will never need will be replaced with financial literacy courses or the like and they can take technical skills courses that will help them in whatever field they want to go into.

It pisses me off the amount of kids I get in Algebra 2 that couldn't give 2 shits about it and I can't blame them because they'll honestly never need it. I know there's other classes this happens this is just the one that I deal with the most as a math teacher.
Posted by frequent flyer
USA
Member since Jul 2021
3411 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:08 am to
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-$20-$45k a year



I think they get paid more than this even in Louisiana.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
21748 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:12 am to
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Every teacher I know teaches summer school and busts their arse lesson planning for the next year.

Cool anecdotal evidence. Every teacher I know brags about how easy their summer lesson planning is and most work side jobs to support their shopping & starbucks habits.

Hell, before they had kids a handful would go on a 2 week girls trip every summer and knock out lesson planning together on the beach or in the condo. Oversimplified the work, but basically said the plans were similar year-to-year, just needed to update for any new administrative rules and then curtail them as the year goes based on pace of the classes.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
21748 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:16 am to
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A teacher will tell you they really "only" have off maybe two weeks a year.

In other words, it's like every other corporate job.


These threads always fall under the know your audience when bitching about hours worked, time off...OT constantly has a board full of medical people, lawyers, accountants, engineers, corporate people; and the teachers (or spouses of) want to bitch to those of us in this fields about the number of hours they work a year I couldn't tell you the last time I had a vacation where I didn't need to jump on the computer and conference call for a few hours a few times a week while at the beach/mountain/theme park...to deal with some shite
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30963 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:18 am to
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I did that teaching gig at inner city schools here in Baton Rouge for 22 years. Not every parish pays the same. Compare East Carroll Parish pay to Jefferson Parish pay. Inner city schools here in BR are overflowing with culture. Most of the middle school kids I taught could read but they could not explain to you what it was that they read. Math? Lol, I had a class of kids adamantly tell me that I could not subtract 19 from 27 because the '9' was larger than the '7'. But the largest problem was administration and those standardized tests. The kids did not give a damn about those tests and administration would constantly grind on the teachers about making the students 'more intelligent'. The administrators would never berate the students about their lack of care about education or about their low IQs. Then there was the Student Violence.

It has become like a Mini Prison.




End of thread.

Case closed and thank you for your years of service and post.
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
3803 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:20 am to
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Are you trained to groom kids into freaks at a young age in college or once you’re employed by the government? Serious question. Are all of your co workers groomers ? Public school teachers are NOT the same as they were 40 years ago.
Do any of you actually know a teacher personally? Seriously? I'm starting to think a lot of you boomers just watch those "crazy liberal teacher" clips on Fox News and YouTube and think to yourself "all teachers are like that." You need to get out more. A lot of teachers are pretty moderate/right leaning and would probably vote Republican if they didn't think hardcore conservatives hated them so much.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:21 am to
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End of thread.


The placation of bad behavior and below standard academic progress led to this. Teachers have very little recourse if there is a behavior problem and the admin does not support.

The system is a day care center that adds a little educational value.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
30123 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:47 am to
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and they get no benefits.


You’ve said this twice on the first page. Not sure where you work, but benefits in Texas school districts are pretty standard.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20907 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:10 am to
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If you are punching in at 745 and out at 315 you probably aren’t a very good teacher.


I’ve won teacher of the year? Graduated top of my masters program? Lead professional development for my school system multiple times a year? Have been hired as a consultant for local community colleges? Published three academic papers?

But you’re right. I don’t spend countless hours after work bitching about how much work I have, so I must not be good at this most challenging job of teaching teenagers grade-school level content.
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