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re: Being/becoming a public school teacher in America is the worst career possible

Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:42 am to
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:42 am to
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from what I can see, they're the worst people in America
Really? Teachers are the worst people in America? Worse than gang members, drug dealers, rapists, pedophiles, etc?

Some of y'all need to get a grip on reality.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:43 am to
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Teachers are the worst people in America? Worse than gang members, drug dealers, rapists, pedophiles, etc?


You'll find those in the ranks of teachers.

There is nothing sacred about the profession.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:43 am to
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It's not the parents' "natural IQs" that make the difference. That is faux Darwinian hogwash.

It is their level of education and socioeconomic status. Parents' education and SES are by far the biggest predictors of student success. Rich, educated parents produce higher performing kids.




And what is educational status and SES predicated on?

There have been massive studies done on this stuff for 100 years. The present research suggests that upwards of 60% of success (educational and SE) is predicated on IQ.

Even the US Military enacts policies around IQ. At an 85 IQ, the US Military relegates you to extremely low end jobs because of the lack of cognitive ability to perform.

If you take a kid with an 85 IQ and place him with a millionaire family with parents with doctorates, he is still going to max out on the lower end of academic achievement.
Posted by cheobode
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:46 am to
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My aunt was making that after 5 years in back in the 80s


I went to high school in the mid 90's. My teacher asked me to grab something off her desk and her school paycheck was right there. I remember it being in the $700 range.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12462 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:47 am to
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The budgets of various BR private schools and the budget of EBR schools.

Link them then.
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Those are dollar allocations. They count in terms of spending per student. If you think that is bad policy (which it very well may be) so be it but you don’t get to line item expenditures when you are the one making that argument that spending is correlated to outcomes.

It's not bad policy. It's money the public schools are required by law to spend that the private schools aren't. Nutrition is also directly tied to student outcomes. Kids who eat better perform better.
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I know exactly what exponential means. And there are exponential differences in objective measurements like college scholarship money, tier 1 college acceptance rates, etc.
Then you should know you are using it incorrectly.
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Private schools spend less money per student and have significantly better outcomes.


You've changed the language now. And still provided no support for your conclusions.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 12:01 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:48 am to
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You've changed the language now.


bullshite.

You just don't understand it.

Look at school expenditures per student across the nation, then index with quality of education.

Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49413 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:49 am to
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Teachers are the worst people in America?


Teachers are like any other profession. Some are great. Others are whiny, lazy morons. The latter tend to be the most vocally opinionated.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12462 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:51 am to
He literally changed from "exponentially" better to "significantly" better.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 11:52 am
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12462 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:52 am to
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bullshite.

You just don't understand it.

Look at school expenditures per student across the nation, then index with quality of education.
Stay in your lane, kid. The adults are talking.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12462 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:53 am to
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I went to high school in the mid 90's. My teacher asked me to grab something off her desk and her school paycheck was right there. I remember it being in the $700 range.
Per week? Per month? Biweekly?
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
14735 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:55 am to
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Stay in your lane, kid. The adults are talking.


Careful man. You’re racking up literally ones of downvotes everytime you call him out
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 11:56 am
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12462 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:56 am to
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Teachers are like any other profession. Some are great. Others are whiny, lazy morons. The latter tend to be the most vocally opinionated.
Agreed. Does that make them "the worst people in America"? Because that is the post I was responding to.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:11 pm to
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Stay in your lane, kid. The adults are talking.


You can't even acknowledge facts given to you in this thread. You're incapable of understanding them.

One of us is the adult, kid.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 12:12 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49413 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:12 pm to
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Link them then.


Link to things I've physically held in my hands and analyzed?


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It's not bad policy. It's money the public schools are required by law to spend that the private schools aren't.


Which could be bad policy. Law regarding education expenditures is "policy". One side doesn't get docked for allocating resources differently. In fact, that's really what should be analyzed if you were at all interested in educational improvement.


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Then you should know you are using it incorrectly.


I'm not when stated in terms of million units. When one public school's graduating class receives $1.5 M total in scholarship funds and the private receives almost $30 M in scholarship funds, that is an exponential difference of seven.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:13 pm to
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You’re racking up literally ones of downvotes everytime you call him out


no one gives a shite about downvotes, but children.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49413 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:17 pm to
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Does that make them "the worst people in America"? Does that make them "the worst people in America"?


I would argue that the educational leaders implementing hypersexualization curriculum and CRT curriculum in elementary schools are among the worst people in the country.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:18 pm to
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I would argue that the educational leaders implementing hypersexualization curriculum and CRT curriculum in elementary schools are among the worst people in the country.


Easily.

Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12462 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:19 pm to
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You can't even acknowledge facts given to you in this thread. You're incapable of understanding them.

One of us is the adult, kid.

Yeah. And it's not you.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:20 pm to
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Yeah. And it's not you.


Sorry Junior. Your way has led to one of the shittiest education systems in the nation.

Adults learn from mistakes.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12462 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:21 pm to
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I would argue that the educational leaders implementing hypersexualization curriculum and CRT curriculum in elementary schools are among the worst people in the country.
This hypothetical group you have never met and can't identify by name is worse than gang leaders? Drug dealers? Murderers and child rapists? Again, you need to get some perspective.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 12:30 pm
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