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re: AI companies are buying rare books, cutting the spine off to scan, then shredding them
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:31 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:31 am to hawgfaninc
“AI” companies just want to own all IP
That’s their goal. Not AI
That’s their goal. Not AI
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Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:37 am to hawgfaninc
explain this to me like I'm dumb. When I first read the headline I'm thinking about several hundred year old books that are a 1/1 and only surviving copy on earth, which woudl obviously be shocking.
But then I see that "rare" could just mean 2021 and before, and there's only one brief snippet I saw about using actaul, legit, "only copy left" books. For those I am as concerned and upset as anyoen else. But couldn't this practice also pertain to regular ol' james patterson books from 5 years ago that has a million copies in print?
But then I see that "rare" could just mean 2021 and before, and there's only one brief snippet I saw about using actaul, legit, "only copy left" books. For those I am as concerned and upset as anyoen else. But couldn't this practice also pertain to regular ol' james patterson books from 5 years ago that has a million copies in print?
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:41 am to lsu777
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here is the problem, without originals who is to say over time that things arent changed
That was the first thought I had opening this thread.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:45 am to jchamil
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That was the first thought I had opening this thread.
unfortunately a lot of people dont think like that and cant imagine a world were people would change history to suit their own biases yet the US did the same thing during WW2, frick they killed patton and essentially neutered him to cover up the bullshite the soviets were doing and how they were way way more evil than the Nazis overall.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:46 am to hawgfaninc
I'm torn on this. I love a physical book and can't bring myself to read on a Kindle. Preserving history is so important, and if truly rare books are being shredded, that's a shame.
However, I love me some Claude. He's my bro, and I sometimes wonder how I functioned without him.
However, I love me some Claude. He's my bro, and I sometimes wonder how I functioned without him.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:51 am to hawgfaninc
"Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. Already, in the Eleventh Edition, we're not far from that point. But the process will still be continuing long after you and I are dead. Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for committing thoughtcrime. It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won't be any need even for that. The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect. Newspeak is Ingsoc and Ingsoc is Newspeak,' he added with a sort of mystical satisfaction. 'Has it ever occurred to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?'"
George Orwell 1984 Part 1 Chapter 5
George Orwell 1984 Part 1 Chapter 5
Posted on 7/29/26 at 8:52 am to CocomoLSU
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This is the exact problem every single person should have with this. But even in this thread there are several "who cares" kinds of posts. It's fricking sad honestly.
This isn't about "yeah but if it's a random book nobody wants to buy then it doesn't matter"; it's the principle of destroying historical things. I get that physical media is something that is slowly going by the wayside. But destroying literal "last copies" of stuff seems like a bad idea. And then on top of that to not even have it accessible at all to the public seems even worse. I get that they are trying to train AI. That's fine, whatever. But doing it at the cost of this kind of thing seems bad, irresponsible, potentially evil, etc.
All of this.
Today it’s mundane things like an old sewing manual but what happens when it’s not? And what happens when they control what the content was and we no longer have the original for legitimate reference.
This plus the literacy crisis in this country just makes me sad.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 9:13 am to FredBear
quote:The 1975 Banqiao Dam failure in China was one of the deadliest dam disasters in history, resulting in the collapse of 62 dams and causing an estimated death toll ranging from 26,000 to 240,000 people due to flooding from Typhoon Nina. (wiki)
'Has it ever occurred to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?'"
With the difference in fatalities largely dependent upon when you ask.
The closer to dam failure you get a much larger number and the nearer to starting the Three Gorges Damn the lower the body count; as well as the associated financial burden. So what will be the count two hundred years from now?
Posted on 7/29/26 at 9:15 am to RoyalAir
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There's really no reason that a book published more than 30 years ago shouldn't be free on Kindle right now.
Can you say the same thing about music?
I’d say individuals and publishers should still get money from their efforts, even if hundreds of years ago.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 9:30 am to hawgfaninc
I honestly assumed this was how LLM were getting fed, but didn't think about them actually disposing of the physical copies after. I assumed they were just reselling after.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 9:38 am to hawgfaninc
The boomers support this because they like trumps funny videos on truth social
What’s wrong millenials? Thirsty because the data center took all your water?
What’s wrong millenials? Thirsty because the data center took all your water?
Posted on 7/29/26 at 9:42 am to hawgfaninc
It's been 20+ yrs since I've been in college. Are college books still 150++ each? What a sham. Same arse material for over 30yrs.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:03 am to Tree_Fall
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"What is meaning of life" will still be 42.
Always know where your towel is.
I stopped giving a shite about this story when I read, "rare books, especially those printed before 2022."
Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:06 am to hawgfaninc
Leftists burning books?
History just repeats itself.
History just repeats itself.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:11 am to hawgfaninc
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I'm going to say this again for those at the back: hundreds of thousands of TONS of books
Have you ever moved? That’s like 8 boxes.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:11 am to hawgfaninc
Rebecca is going to be pissed...
Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:27 am to Lazy But Talented
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I honestly assumed this was how LLM were getting fed
The Pirate Bay indexes stolen material and makes it freely available, so they are under constant threat of legal action and harassment.
All LLMs were trained on pirated and stolen material that they now index, which in turn is sold back to you, so their company valuations are through the roof.
One is a crime, and the other is proprietary technology.
See the difference?
Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:43 am to BamaCoaster
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say individuals and publishers should still get money from their efforts, even if hundreds of years ago.
Music distribution has caught up in the digital age, though. Spotify and Tidal charge a fee, you get access to just about everything ever recorded. Music as a utility, as it were. Artists get paid, but when's the last time you saw a CD player?
There's no reason you can't do the same thing on Kindle Unlimited or GoodReads or Libby or whatever. Charge me a fee, pay the authors per page read, whatever. But if it's been out and published for 30 years or so, it should be available to the wealth of human knowledge. If I want to own the physical book (and sometimes I do), then yes, I'll pay for the book, just like I would a CD or BluRay. But if it's digital distribution, there's no reason it should be $15 to download a copy of a Crichton novel from the 80s.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 11:02 am to lsu777
Go back to when the Gulf Stream was discovered.
Matthey Fontaine Maury, a Virginian, collected data from ships on the Atlantic and defined the existence of the Gulf Stream. Bet you didn't read about that Southerner in history books (unless youj went to school in Virginia)
When a certain group started celebrating a month, one of their people claimed to be "The Real McCoy". which was not really logical.
Matthey Fontaine Maury, a Virginian, collected data from ships on the Atlantic and defined the existence of the Gulf Stream. Bet you didn't read about that Southerner in history books (unless youj went to school in Virginia)
When a certain group started celebrating a month, one of their people claimed to be "The Real McCoy". which was not really logical.
Posted on 7/29/26 at 11:03 am to hawgfaninc
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some of them "rare" in the sense that obsolete books on Windows 95 programming or service manuals for Singer sewing machines from 1985 or books of racist jokes from 1958 are "rare"
I kind of hate AI and the data centers but if this is the "rare" books they are talking about, who cares. They were just taking up space that nobody was ever going to use.
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