re: 491 years ago today, Thomas More beheaded

Educate us

I stood on the spot in Westminster Hall where he was standing when he was convicted. There is a brass marker set in the floor.

Thomas More's speech before he is sentenced in the movie, A Man For All Seasons is pretty bad arse.

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Now he has a high school in Laffy named after him

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1990's STM Baton Rouge is where he was truly honored. #eaglepride

Saint Thomas More. Such a inspiring person to stand up and give his life for his beliefs.

A Man For All Seaons is one of my favorite movies. Paul Scofield was powerful in that role. A young John Hurt was very good along with Robert Shaw as Henry VIII. Don't forget Orson Welles as Cardinal Wolsey.

For Wales? Why Richard, it profit a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. . . but for Wales!

Now for the rest of the story......

More held the position of Lord Chancellor, important to framing the actions.


During More's time, the distribution of Tyndale's English New Testament was illegal - not simply because it was in English, but because Tyndale had embedded Lutheran theological errors directly into the translation. For example:

He rendered ekklesia as "congregation" instead of "church"

He rendered presbyteros as "elder" instead of "priest"

He rendered metanoeite as "repent" (inward change only) rather than "do penance"

These were not innocent translation choices. They were doctrinally loaded decisions designed to undermine the sacramental structure of the Church.


Canonization does not equate to moral perfection. The medieval blend of church and state was brutal and outside of what we understand today.

King Henry 8th wanted Tynsdale killed and he wanted copies of his Bible destroyed. This is the same King who beheaded More.

And More's problem with Tynsdale wasn't because the Bible was translated into English - there were already English language Bibles in England long before Tynsdale. More's problem with Tynsdale was due to Tynsdale's particular translation, which many Bible scholars of the day observed to be filled with error.

Tynsdale began his work of translation with an objective, and that objective was to furnish a translation that would facilitate opposition to Catholic doctrine. Tynsdale was motivated by politics and by opposition to the Catholic Church.

There are new translations of the Bible today that many Evangelicals oppose, because these translations are "Inclusive" or "Gender Neutral". Evangelicals say that the translators themselves began their work with the objective of challenging current orthodox Evangelical thought.

Sort of the same reasons why the Catholic Church in the 1500s opposed Tynsdale and his translation!

I think we can all agree that we need to have some standards regarding our Bible translations. After all - Is the Jehovah's Witness Bible translation OK? If not, why not?

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More advocated for the burning of people who disseminated the Bible translated into English, as a single example.

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I don’t think you did this on purpose, but this is very misleading. Catholics had been allowed to publish vernacular translations of the Bible for centuries before Tyndall published his English NT. The Church did not oppose the Bible being translated into English. It opposed the idea of private individuals making their own translations on their own authority.
You also have to understand that at this time in history, death was a virtually universally accepted punishment for heresy, not just amongst Catholics but Protestants at this time as well.
Tyndale was arrested for heresy by secular authorities (not the Catholic Church) because his personal translation of the Bible included heretical ideas. Not because the act of translation was heretical.

It’s sad you actually thought this was clever.

You guys have taken the wind out of Obtuse's sails. He is fumbling around on ChatGPT trying to come up with a retort.