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The cure for low oil prices is low oil prices. Gas was never going to stay $2 a gallon. Iran accelerated some market dynamics, but oil was always going to climb in 2026.

You can legalese yourself into believing the VICTIM Could have responded differently.

He was himself a victim who reported it to church authorities, AND to the police. That he didn't do it on some arbitrary timeline you have created; well that just makes YOU look bad.

Your position is unreasonable for every reason I have already stated.

I am thankful that every lay person I have spoken to about this issue does not share your opinion. Just stop. You are doing more harm than good. We will never drive out the darkness with positions like yours.

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I've made my point

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And that's the problem. You refusing to place blame squarely on diocesan leadership for failing their own protocols. Assigning ANY blame to victims is unacceptable.

For the non-catholics reading this thread- know that there are good Catholics fighting these fights every day. Champagne's attitude is not prevalent amongst any lay persons I know who are aware of the situation.

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find the criminal's boss and report the crime to that person.

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You are being obtuse. It's not a crime to say something, it's a crime to do something. He witnessed no crime involving a minor. He reported everything to church authorities, who have outlined procedures that werent followed. He, being responsible, notified police when he realized church authorities were improperly handling it. Again, stop blaming him for the failure of church leadership. HE CALLED THE POLICE. I don't know why you are so dead set on assigning him blame. This lies squarely on diocesan leadership.

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Layman IS OBLIGATED to know protocols

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While prudent, I don't see how you can hold a lay person to that standard. He gave the information to a mandatory reporter. You can certainly say it would have also been prudent for him to go directly to the police at that time. Ultimately, he did go directly to the police because Duca failed to act. The lay person was in fact the one who reported it to police.

There is an institution with protocols, and they were not followed. That's 100% on local church leadership, if the story is as reported.

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: Law Enforcement detectives investigated all matters thoroughly and found no evidence of any criminal activity.

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I don't know that we know that. If the alleged issues with minors happened elsewhere, even out of the country, those investigations may be ongoing.

Regardless, as a lay person, I would give Duca a vote of no confidence. You cannot ignore your own protocols. Criminal activity or not, you must follow the established procedures. Failure to do so means you're hiding something, or incompetent. Neither is acceptable.

The story was broken earlier in the week by "the pillar", and the accusations went public even before that.

Here's the original Pillar Article from May 1.

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As someone who came back to the church, this is so frustrating. The fact that Duca could (allegedly) be stupid enough to tell a potential victim NOT to call the police is asinine. If as reported, I would completely support the removal of Duca and Jamin. No confidence.

Is this Dr. Still employed?

Treated my body better. Not even drugs/alcohol, but the injuries that were just annoying back then are so much harder to overcome now. If I skip a day of back stretches now, I can't stand up all the way.