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Champagne
| Favorite team: | Xavier  |
| Location: | Sabine Free State. |
| Biography: | Profession of Arms |
| Interests: | Profession of Arms |
| Occupation: | Profession of Arms |
| Number of Posts: | 53754 |
| Registered on: | 10/2/2007 |
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re: The US govt has lost the right to forcibly tax us.
Posted by Champagne on 1/3/26 at 11:26 am to FooManChoo
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Moral legitimacy must be based on an objective moral standard or else the conversation is meaningless from the start.
True.
But, there remains no easy answer to the question - When is armed violent overthrow of your own Government the right thing to do in God's Eyes?
And the example that I like most to examine is the American Revolutionary War simply because the British Crown was not all that vicious, oppressive and murderous.
The example that Jesus gives to us would indicate that maybe the American Colonies were on the wrong side of the rule.
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re: Have any of you ever thought how you would plan a bank robbery ?
Posted by Champagne on 1/3/26 at 11:13 am to LSUTANGERINE
No, but, I have been researching on how to open a daycare center and get Govt funds for it.
re: Paul Skenes is now clean shaven. Trade to the Yankees imminent!
Posted by Champagne on 1/3/26 at 10:04 am to JerryTheKingBawler
Livvy has already been home-shopping in NYC. She looked into getting Babe Ruth's apartment but the co-op board turned her down.
Livvy is from that part of the world and IMHO would love for Paul Skenes to be a NY Yankee.
Paul asked her, "What about the Mets?". Livvy rolled her eyes and replied, "I can't believe you would even ask that question."
Livvy is from that part of the world and IMHO would love for Paul Skenes to be a NY Yankee.
Paul asked her, "What about the Mets?". Livvy rolled her eyes and replied, "I can't believe you would even ask that question."
My opinion is this -
May the best team win!
May the best team win!
re: The US govt has lost the right to forcibly tax us.
Posted by Champagne on 1/3/26 at 9:41 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Rather than focus on speculative musings on the spiritual fates of the American Revolution’s leaders, my focus here is on the moral and legal legitimacy of the governing authorities.
Your focus is correct.
This analysis is similar to the "Just War" analysis. The Just War analysis has just now taken center stage with the US activities in Venezuela. That's a topic for a separate thread.
Getting back to the focus on the issue of this thread - it's still a tough question and IMHO neither Foo's Theology nor the Roman Catholic Catechism have a great solution for the problem IMHO.
It remains that there is an academic argument to be made that under these rules that we have cited, the American Revolution was immoral and contrary to God's Laws and Will. Just my opinion of course.
Getting back to the OP statement - the US Govt may have lost the moral right to tax the citizens, since it permits such massive fraud to go on for decades, but, nobody wants to fight the Govt over it. My own opinion is that, until the USA solves that fraud problem, it has no moral right to tax the citizens.
Legacy Media talking heads and US Federal Judges will be immediately working to make them understand that they should be hating on Trump instead of celebrating.
re: Maduro & wife captured, evacuated out of Venezuela. DJT
Posted by Champagne on 1/3/26 at 8:29 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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What in the 7 hells
Hey, I like that one!
What in the Seven Hells?
Pretty good.
:lol:
re: The US govt has lost the right to forcibly tax us.
Posted by Champagne on 1/2/26 at 9:26 pm to Toomer Deplorable
I think he's saying that ALL of the American Colonial Governors were appointed by God. All of them remained steadfastly loyal to the Crown, so, Foo, from whence did those subordinate to the Governor get the God-given right to start shooting at their fellow countrymen, the British soldiers?
I appreciate your helping to try to figure this out because it's very tough.
Fact is, Great Britain's Rule over the American Colonies wasn't all that oppressive, compared to say Imperial Rome or Nazi Germany. By your analytical model, I still lean towards the conclusion that the American Revolutionaries are all burning in Hell, to include Patrick Henry, George Washington and W. T. Sherman ( I know Sherman was ACW but I throw him in there just because).
Patrick Henry was a member of the Colonial Virginia Congress. His Governor told him to remain loyal to his Country, Great Britain. He did not.
Both Patrick Henry and the Gov were appointed by God, as you say. What you are saying is that the Governor disobeyed God's Will and failed as Gov, so Patrick Henry was authorized by God to wage armed revolution against the Va. Gov. I think that's what you're saying.
I appreciate your helping to try to figure this out because it's very tough.
Fact is, Great Britain's Rule over the American Colonies wasn't all that oppressive, compared to say Imperial Rome or Nazi Germany. By your analytical model, I still lean towards the conclusion that the American Revolutionaries are all burning in Hell, to include Patrick Henry, George Washington and W. T. Sherman ( I know Sherman was ACW but I throw him in there just because).
Patrick Henry was a member of the Colonial Virginia Congress. His Governor told him to remain loyal to his Country, Great Britain. He did not.
Both Patrick Henry and the Gov were appointed by God, as you say. What you are saying is that the Governor disobeyed God's Will and failed as Gov, so Patrick Henry was authorized by God to wage armed revolution against the Va. Gov. I think that's what you're saying.
I was driving around the countryside south of Lafayette looking at Christmas lights and saw one of these run across the road right in front of my headlights!
Don't be mean.
The Bama people that I know will give Kayla one more season then they go get Cignetti to coach Alabama football.
re: The US govt has lost the right to forcibly tax us.
Posted by Champagne on 1/2/26 at 6:16 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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What gave the Colonial Governor authority? The King or God?
No American Colonial Governor publicly called for armed revolution against the British Crown.
re: The US govt has lost the right to forcibly tax us.
Posted by Champagne on 1/2/26 at 6:01 pm to FooManChoo
Yes, that's a helpful answer.
But, there were no Colonial Governors who called for armed revolution against the British King. Patrick Henry called for revolution but he was a member of the Colonial Legislature.
I'm not sure that under your model of analysis, we can confidently conclude that the American Revolution was good in the eyes of God. In fact, the analysis IMHO seems to lean towards the conclusion that the American Revolution was immoral and wrong.
But, there were no Colonial Governors who called for armed revolution against the British King. Patrick Henry called for revolution but he was a member of the Colonial Legislature.
I'm not sure that under your model of analysis, we can confidently conclude that the American Revolution was good in the eyes of God. In fact, the analysis IMHO seems to lean towards the conclusion that the American Revolution was immoral and wrong.
re: The US govt has lost the right to forcibly tax us.
Posted by Champagne on 1/2/26 at 2:23 pm to FooManChoo
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I believe the American Revolution eventually had the backing and support of governors and such from the colonies and therefore legitimized it
The topic is worthy of analysis.
I'm not sure that a Governor of an American Colony had any greater moral right to launch an armed revolution than did any peasant farmer or peasant innkeeper, but, this requirement does provide some control and modulation, and that's good.
I'm not sure where this "Governor's Exception" can be cited in the Bible, even if we agree it makes sense.
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Their women are home taking care of the children and waiting for their man to come home and impregnate them again.
Kevin from The Office says --
Niiiiiiice.
:pimp:
re: When a Lutheran ELCA heretic pastor becomes so wrapped up in politics
Posted by Champagne on 1/2/26 at 2:03 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
Oh my gosh, this "pastor" looks exactly like Brian Kelly !!
Did Coach Kelly get a new job already?
Did Coach Kelly get a new job already?
re: When a Lutheran ELCA heretic pastor becomes so wrapped up in politics
Posted by Champagne on 1/2/26 at 2:02 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
Sounds like something Martin Luther might say. He said many silly things.
re: The US govt has lost the right to forcibly tax us.
Posted by Champagne on 1/2/26 at 10:29 am to Toomer Deplorable
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The main tenet of the Declaration of Independence is that any government that violates our Natural Rights is an illegitimate government. In no way does this contradict the teachings of Christ: the main lesson of the Gospel is indeed that higher moral truths should guide our actions.
Yes, but, look at it another way - Jesus did or said nothing that would persuade Jews to overthrow or even to agitate against the Imperial Roman Occupation Government. Surely this Roman Occupation was worse than King George's rule over the American Colonies. If Jesus did not advocate a Jewish Revolution against Rome, why would He support an American Revolution against the Imperial Royal Crown of Great Britain?
Are we saying that Imperial Rome was less oppressive than Britian?
Oh boy. We've happened upon a genuine topic for great debate here. It's a rare event that we find a topic so perfect for genuine interesting debate.
Very good. Good start to the New Year.
:lol:
re: The US govt has lost the right to forcibly tax us.
Posted by Champagne on 1/2/26 at 10:15 am to Toomer Deplorable
It's a tough issue and a great topic for debate/conversation.
But, if I understand Foo's analysis correctly, then when we apply that rule to the American Revolution factual scenario, it seems to beg the conclusion that the American Revolution was contrary to what the Bible says. And if it is in contradiction with the Bible, then it was probably illegitimate and maybe even evil.
But, if I understand Foo's analysis correctly, then when we apply that rule to the American Revolution factual scenario, it seems to beg the conclusion that the American Revolution was contrary to what the Bible says. And if it is in contradiction with the Bible, then it was probably illegitimate and maybe even evil.
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They just admitted they have been full on propaganda
You're right and it is hilarious.
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