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re: Rondo and pels agree to one year deal

Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:35 am to
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6112 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 10:35 am to
Hendy lol

quote:

Quincy Pondexter @QuincyPondexter · 17h Lazarus

Danny Stroka @__KingTweezy Is @QuincyPondexter gonna rise from the dead this season we sure can use em lol


We've got a Qpon sighting. Says he's going to have "Lazarus" style awakening
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:24 pm to
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When vegas sets our final win total I will take the under and you take the over for $100.
Deal.

Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:31 pm to
Well, a lot better than that Kings team, if health isn't an issue.


Davis/Cousins/Holiday/Rondo is a hell of a lot better than Cousins/Gay/Rondo
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73981 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 7:00 pm to
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Davis/Cousins/Holiday/Rondo is a hell of a lot better than Cousins/Gay/Rondo



Jrue has a career PER of 16.3, Darren Collison is 15.8 (16.1 in SAC). Collison on average has been a 4 win share player, Holiday has been a 3 win player on average. (Not only are they not far apart, it just illustrates the monstrous overpay Holiday got from us)

Yes, AD is by far the best player in this conversation. Even still, he's good for 5-6 wins more than a Rudy Gay. He can only do so much for a team, which is evident by us seeing the playoffs once in his tenure (5 years now!)


Better than that Kings team, you are looking at 10 more wins, let's call it. 43 win Pels team, Ok, we are in the ballpark of what Vegas will say.


If you think our current team is much better, would you say 20 games is a good indicator? 53 win Pels team this year?
Posted by NOLAbaby
CumTown
Member since Sep 2013
1758 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 7:27 pm to
I EUROSTEP PAST A HATER LIKE IM RONDO
Rondo
Posted by jamal
Places Unknown
Member since Jan 2013
12918 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 7:54 pm to
Party
Posted by Tin_Food
Member since Jul 2016
41 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 12:52 am to
I'm just excited to see Rondo do one of those behind the back fakes.
Posted by Bkaaw
Member since Sep 2015
234 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 8:15 am to
Did you notice how far back Luke played Rondo? That shite would kill our spacing if that's the norm.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36523 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:24 am to
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Did you notice how far back Luke played Rondo? That shite would kill our spacing if that's the norm.

That was from the 10-11 season. In that season Rondo only attempted .6 three point shots per game. He's increased both his 3 point frequency and percentage a great deal since then.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31992 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:41 am to
the last few years he's increased in %. He doesn't provide THAT much spacing, but if he's knocking down 35-38% of his 3's, you have to start respecting it.
Posted by tigerforever7
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
1206 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:05 am to
Guys, how much cap space do we have left to use?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:08 am to
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if he's knocking down 35-38% of his 3's, you have to start respecting it.


I think one of the biggest misconceptions we have on this board is that a good percentage on your 3 point shot matters. You need both volume and accuracy to make the defense care. Moore had 2 games where he made 4 or more 3s last year, Dante had 3. Buddy had 11, Galloway had 9, Crawford had 2 in just 19 games which prorates out to 8.6. Which 3 point shooters do you think make the scouting reports, the ones that has more than a 10% chance to affect the outcome of your individual game or the one with a less than 5% chance?
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:13 am to
it's complex.

does a guy take less 3s b/c teams stick more closely to him? does another take more 3s now b/c teams practically beg him to take that shot?

and something few rarely talk about is the difference between regular season defense v playoff defense.

for the most part, the Pes should be fine v regular season defense. teams dont gameplan nearly as much. playoff defense is another animal entirely and teams consistently play useful players off the court b/c of their limitations on offense. its the entire reason small ball/pace+space/whatever we want to call it is en vouge
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128131 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:15 am to
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Guys, how much cap space do we have left to use?


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Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10117 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:09 am to
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it's complex.

does a guy take less 3s b/c teams stick more closely to him? does another take more 3s now b/c teams practically beg him to take that shot?

and something few rarely talk about is the difference between regular season defense v playoff defense.

for the most part, the Pes should be fine v regular season defense. teams dont gameplan nearly as much. playoff defense is another animal entirely and teams consistently play useful players off the court b/c of their limitations on offense. its the entire reason small ball/pace+space/whatever we want to call it is en vouge




I think to judge a shooter, you need to look at the % and volume, but you also have to just watch them play. How far do defenders sag off, how quick can they get off their shot, how deep can they shoot, how are they when contested or being closed out on, can they shoot coming off a screen, off a dribble...etc.

No one currently on the team has a quick release type shot like Klay, Steph, Buddy, nor does anybody have special range. As you said, I think they will be fine in the regular season. I think Rondo and Solo are going to have tons of wide open 3's and should shoot greater than 35% on those.

With a healthy offseason and getting players (especially Solo) more comfortable/better at finding their spots on the perimeter, I think our shooting will be fine regular season. I think the Pels will end up turning below average shooters into average-slightly above average shooters and decent shooters into very good shooters because of the open shots.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 11:11 am
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26130 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:11 am to
100% correct. My question is this: how will our front court translate in playoff basketball? Jrue and Rondo are legit perimeter defenders. Are they enough to reduce the effectiveness of this new wave of basketball enough to give us a big enough advantage inside?

If I'm Gentry, I am clogging the middle and making teams commit. Rack up FTs, force your brand on other teams, and if we can just get a youman's attempt behind the 3pt line, we can be quite the pain in the arse for most teams.

It really boils down to perimeter defense, and offensive rebounds, imo. Asik is even useful in a situation like that.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 11:12 am
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:13 am to
I think they'll win around 42-48. If things really click then yea they could win 50+
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29841 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:17 am to
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It really boils down to perimeter defense, and offensive rebounds, imo. Asik is even useful in a situation like that.



maybe Asik from 5 years ago. Asik today isn't useful for anything NBA related, until his contract becomes useful in a trade where teams will find his guaranteed $3M of his $11M salary helpful.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10117 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:46 am to
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Which 3 point shooters do you think make the scouting reports, the ones that has more than a 10% chance to affect the outcome of your individual game or the one with a less than 5% chance?




Which is why the alleged pulling of the Nick Young offer is so perplexing. He was by far the best shooter available to us. He took 4.7 catch and shoot 3's per game last year and made 44.2%. He has deep range and a quick enough release.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31992 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:53 am to
Improved defense too.

Maybe they think Crawford is that legit that they feel comfortable
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