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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein

Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:31 am to
Posted by ghost2most
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:31 am to
Name me one other top 60 player who can be completely taken out of a series to the point he's unplayable by Lou fricking Dort.

BI is so fricking soft it hurts.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:33 am to
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Name me one other top 60 player who can be completely taken out of a series to the point he's unplayable by Lou fricking Dort.

BI is so fricking soft it hurts.

Emotional thinking: confirmed.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:34 am to
I’m pretty sure Sengun is untouchable, despite the rumors. Boat has sailed on him. The time for teams to get him out of Houston was when he went 16th in the draft and/or before last year when Udoka was brought in and before Sengun had a better age 21 season than Jokic.

And There is absolutely No way in hell
Houston would trade Sengun AND Green, Whitmore, JSJ and #3 for a 36 year old Durant to play w D Brooks, Vanfleet, and Amen Thompson
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:35 am to
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Houston would trade Sengun AND Green, Whitmore, JSJ and #3 for a 36 year old Durant to play w D Brooks, Vanfleet, and Amen Thompson




Yeah, the Suns would have done that already. lol
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:37 am to
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If Trae bought in, I think ATL would have done a lot better the past 2 years I doubt they would be blowing it up.


Buy into what? A position that’s not suited to him? Being a small off ball guard. They blowing it up because what happened was what most knowledgeable basketball people predicted, a backcourt of Trae and Murray wouldn’t work.
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 10:38 am
Posted by TechTiger
Running an easy 10
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:38 am to
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I’m starting to warm up to the idea of Trae and Zion in the pick n roll


I’m not sure if Trae can be that person to unlock Zion as a roll man, but stats show that he isn’t very good at that. He has been almost exclusively the PnR Ball Handler, and he seems to be lost as a screen setter.

Now this could be because we haven’t had a decent table setter since Lonzo/Jrue, but he isn’t comfortable in that role. Almost all of his offensive usage has been in ISO, ISO Post-Ups, or PnR Ball Handler.

He obviously struggled to adapt to playing off-ball in Borego’s offense, but maybe that’s because he didn’t have the right player there to unlock him.

LINK

I’m not sure we want him to change his game that much, or if he even can change it that much. If that’s the case…then Trae is certainly not the player to necessarily play off of him, because he doesn’t move off-ball well.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:46 am to
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And There is absolutely No way in hell Houston would trade Sengun AND Green, Whitmore, JSJ and #3 for a 36 year old Durant to play w D Brooks, Vanfleet, and Amen Thompson

Yesterday everyone was saying there’s no way in hell Brooklyn would get 6 picks for Bridges, yet here we are.

A year and a half ago everyone said no way Brooklyn would get two good young players and 5 picks with swaps for Durant, yet there we were.

Don’t discount what teams wanting superstars will give up, especially when Houston would still keep those Suns picks
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 10:47 am
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:48 am to
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Don’t discount what teams wanting superstars will give up, especially when Houston would still keep those Suns picks



Part of the realistic discussions, per the Starting Lineup on XM this morning, is Houston giving those Suns picks back. I'm not sure who Hou is willing to send out, though.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:50 am to
This trade would be worth it for the press conferencce:

BI, DD, Hawkins for KD and Eric Gordon
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:51 am to
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It’s moot now though, Detroit is renouncing his rights so they won’t be able to S&T him, so I would pivot to the CJ/Nance for Cam and Clax deal, still do the Trae deal. Send all those picks i don’t give a shite
I just don't see Griff blowing up a 49 win team in one offseason. I know we are all disappointed that the 49 win team did not progress in the playoffs, but hard to see Griff just blowing it up completely by trading CJ and Bi and replacing JV while dumping a lot of future picks in one offseason. I could be wrong, but do not see it.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:51 am to
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Yesterday everyone was saying there’s no way in hell Brooklyn would get 6 picks for Bridges, yet here we are.



1 package is (6) picks for a guy in his prime, that went to College with half of the other team, arriving in a major big market, costing the team 0 player assets.

The other package is valued at (10-15)1st rd picks for a 36y/o who isn't going to win a championship on his own (Couldn't even do it in his prime) while losing all of the assets they've acquired the previous 5 years.

You wild
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17659 posts
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:53 am to
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The other package is valued at (10-15)1st rd picks

10-15 picks? For 3 young players? Lmao
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while losing all of the assets they've acquired the previous 5 years.

They lose 3-4 players and a single pick… they keep control of all future picks including Suns picks. Ishbia won’t rebuild, he will want veterans
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 10:55 am
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30356 posts
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:54 am to
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Name me one other top 60 player who can be completely taken out of a series to the point he's unplayable by Lou fricking Dort.



Can I hyperextend their knee a few weeks before the series?

We've made the playoffs twice in the last 3 years, and the play-in once.
BI has played in all of those game.
Zion has played in ZERO.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:54 am to
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We just saw him outright refuse to operate Snyder's PNR scheme to play hero ball instead, which led to disaster the past 2 years
Hawks were 12th and 7th the past 2 seasons in offensive rating.

119 and 118 Ortg past 2 seasons with Trae on court.

Disaster!!!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477229 posts
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:55 am to
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They blowing it up because what happened was what most knowledgeable basketball people predicted, a backcourt of Trae and Murray wouldn’t work.

Because Trae refused to buy in, both to this more efficient/better role AND Snyder's offense/scheme.

Had he done both, ATL would have done a lot better in terms of W/L
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 10:55 am
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:55 am to
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I just don't see Griff blowing up a 49 win team in one offseason. I know we are all disappointed that the 49 win team did not progress in the playoffs, but hard to see Griff just blowing it up completely by trading CJ and Bi and replacing JV while dumping a lot of future picks in one offseaso


Now replace "49 wins" with 40/ 42/ 46/ etcc...

The result has been the same. Barely make playoffs/ barely miss playoffs/ first rd elimination

Another year of "we did ___ well but got nowhere"

That's a no for me dawg
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:57 am to
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That's a no for me dawg


Agreed. With 49 wins we were still the 8 seed with the west getting better. Look at the Kings last year- stayed the same and fell out of the playoffs.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:59 am to
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10-15 picks? For 3 young players? Lmao


Uhhhhh yeah:

#3 = (2) picks

Whitmore= (1) pick

JSJ= (2-3)

Green= (2-3)

Sengun= (3-4)

Even if you take their minimum value with no additional assets attached then that's (10) 1st rd picks base value that they are losing. Not including essentially wasting the last 5 years on everything

And Houston isn't taking (2-3) mid 20's picks for any of those players... So whatever value you think they have i'd probably double or triple it.


This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 11:06 am
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
4455 posts
Posted on 6/26/24 at 11:00 am to
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Agreed. With 49 wins we were still the 8 seed with the west getting better. Look at the Kings last year- stayed the same and fell out of the playoffs.


Yeah, realistically nothing we do will matter because we just arent good enough. Trae Young or not we're still a play in team

Now would be probably the perfect time to trade zion after he just played 70 games.
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
8004 posts
Posted on 6/26/24 at 11:00 am to
49 wins aside, there were countless games that we could/should have won, but our offense turned to complete dogshit in the 4th quarter and we ended up losing

What's the point of running it back if your roster can't get a win in crunch time?
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