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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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This isn't shocking b/c that wasn't the reason why they acquired him, but Trae forced that reality onto the team.
I don’t blame Trae, he’s the alpha on the team and carried them to the ECF. Why would he give up what he does for a lesser player. That’s on the Hawks brass, they should have traded for a better fitting piece. They went for a high profile talent and thought it could work.
That’s not Traes fault.
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:33 am to Townedrunkard
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Why would he give up what he does for a lesser player.
Because it doesn't work, same reason why he's OTB now
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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This was supposed to be his role when they got him, with Trae moving more off ball to let him be more efficient (like what CJ did this year for us). Trae refused, chaos ensued, and both are OTB.
It’s laughable you comparing him to CJ now. That’s because Trae is the guy and should have his hand on the ball.
CJ just went to the role he should have been playing all along. He’s an off ball small guard. We forced him into a role that he’s not built for because Griff screwed up getting Graham.
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 9:35 am
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because it doesn't work, same reason why he's OTB now
So you gonna sit here and claim because they put another pg on the side of him that needs the ball, it wouldn’t work here with a first team defensive guy next to him that doesn’t need the ball in his hand.
Is that what you are saying?
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:38 am to Townedrunkard
Question for all
Does Ingram get traded today?
Does Ingram get traded today?
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:41 am to Townedrunkard
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It’s laughable you comparing him to CJ now.
Huh?
I'm comparing the role they envisioned him performing with Murray.
CJ showed this year how it's done. I'm not comparing the players.
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That’s because Trae is the guy and should have his hand on the ball.
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CJ just went to the role he should have been playing all along.
Trae needs to adopt a lot more of this as his role
BI has the same exact issue. Trae is BI on steroids.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:43 am to Townedrunkard
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So you gonna sit here and claim because they put another pg on the side of him that needs the ball, it wouldn’t work here with a first team defensive guy next to him that doesn’t need the ball in his hand.
Zion needs the ball in his hands
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Is that what you are saying?
Your exact framing? No.
I'm saying Zion needs the ball in his hands and if we want to win, Trae will have to adopt a lot of his role and PT into more of what CJ did for us, just like BI needed to do.
Trae can run wild with the 2nd unit and ball stop then.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trae needs to adopt a lot more of this as his role
What? Trae is not a shooting guard. So no, he should not be playing off ball more.
CJ has been a disaster in the playoffs when he’s been forced to play point guard and teams ramp up defensively.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:50 am to Ijuschill1
quote:You can't name 30 better player than a dude who averaged 27 and 10 over the past 3 seasons combined.
Plus, Trae is not a Top 20 player in the NBA. Probably not top 30. Hard pass
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm saying Zion needs the ball in his hands and if we want to win, Trae will have to adopt a lot of his role and PT into more of what CJ did for us, just like BI needed to do. Trae can run wild with the 2nd unit and ball stop then.
That’s not sustainable. One because of Zions injury history. And two we have no idea how that will work in the playoffs.
We have proof of what Trae can do in the playoffs running the show.
You have it opposite, point Zion can work in stretches and when Trae goes to the bench. Point Zion against second teams surrounded by shooters is ideal situation.
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 9:52 am
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:51 am to shel311
And I see everyone forgetting that this would by far be the best team Trae has ever played on, which should only boost his numbers.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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Zion needs the ball in his hands
There are small sample sizes involved but Zion has averaged between 28-29 points per 36 minutes his first 3 years here and then 26 last year when he did do more facilitating. The percent of 2 point FGs that were assisted:
Year 1 - 75.5% FG assisted - 29.1 pts/36
Year 2 - 55.3% FG assisted - 29.3 pts/36
Year 3 - 45.7% FG assisted - 28.4 pts/36
Year 4 - 47.4% FG assisted - 26.1 pts/36
Looking at his first 2 season Zion doesn't need the ball in his hands. I'd argue you want the ball in his hands a decent amount and Trae would need to play some off ball and decoy, which is a concern, but I think you underestimate Zion's ability by saying he needs to run the offense.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:53 am to Townedrunkard
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You have it opposite, point Zion can work in stretches and when Trae goes to the bench. Point Zion against second teams surrounded by shooters is ideal situation.
You can have two closers in Zion and Trae. When Zion gets taken away trae will figure it out. When Zion gets doubled trae will be open for the easiest 3pt shots of his life.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:53 am to Ijuschill1
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Herb can honestly be a version of Scottie Pippen. Real talk.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:53 am to shel311
Let the man dream!
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:54 am to shel311
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You can't name 30 better player than a dude who averaged 27 and 10 over the past 3 seasons combined.
The Ringer named 35
Just to give cushion, it's going to take some willpower to put him in the top 25
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:54 am to Townedrunkard
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What? Trae is not a shooting guard. So no, he should not be playing off ball more.
Then his team will get the same results we've seen lately from ATL
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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Zion needs the ball in his hands
Not the way you think he does.
Zion needs someone to get the ball in his hands in ideal situations. Same as BI.
Zion can be the same creator and assist guy in that manner. He doesn't need to be the one slowly taking the ball up the court and initiating everythign.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Ringer named 35
That's more of a right now ranking. Past 3 seasons ranking would have trae top 15-20 easily.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:58 am to 50_Tiger
I at first would've rathered the Pels trade for Murray over Trae, but I'm now starting to change my mind. New Orleans isn't a wonderful destination place and Trae looks interested, so if he's the best player you can get in a trade you do so. I imagine we wouldn't give up Herb to get him so you still have him and defensive minded Willie as coach, plus you can trade CJ forlike a Claxton and Cam Johnson as mentioned earlier, and we would be fine. A PNR combo of Trae and Zion would be lethal too.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
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