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re: I'm a weak man, I caved and re-watched Game of Thrones. Where it went off the rails...
Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:51 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:51 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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But on the re-watch (which I swore I never would do), I was actually not bothered by as much as I remember.
That's because it's not really that bad overall. Sure, there are exceptionally stupid things that happened in the last couple of seasons...things that shouldn't be ignored and that deserve hatred. But there are also some really awesome things that happened in those couple season as well. And the show itself was still pretty solid.
I absolutely hated the ending with Bran, but I was able to sort of just laugh that off as being an incredibly stupid idea and still enjoy a lot of the rest of the series toward the end. My biggest gripe aside from the Bran ending was the time jumps, as you mentioned. That was by far the most egregious thing they pulled during the last season or two.
I do agree with you about Cersei and her not giving a shite about the WWs, but I think at that point they were out of options and knew they couldn't defeat them alone and needed the help of KL's army.
I've said before that I think the hate toward GoT will cool the further out from the ending we get. I also think that binge watching it really helps a lot with hating certain things. The parts I've caught here and there since it ended really weren't as bad as I remembered initially. The problem was that the writing just went off the rails at one point and the creators of the show, who had told a good story up to that point (even when they had to stray from the books), seemed to stop caring about putting out clean, cohesive plotlines.
And I agree with you on that one episode north of the Wall. While some of it made for good scenes and "cool" TV, none of it made much sense and a lot was just plain frustrating.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 12:55 pm
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Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:56 pm to jefforize
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It is said Ramsay Bolton forced Theon to watch the Sand Snakes scenes for day and night.
Pretty much every scene with the Sand Snakes is borderline unwatchable. Their dialogue is bad and their acting is worse.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:11 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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imagine as a writer seeing these reactions to your story
Do you know which parts of the script were being read when these reactions were captured
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:20 pm to Triple Bogey
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Aside from the fact that all the main characters were running around with the thickest plot armor to ever exist for an hour and the entire dothraki army gets wiped out in the first 5 minutes.
Yea, the Dothraki deaths cannot be defended. Just an awful battle strategy. I get they were on horses but it makes no sense for them to charge into the dark, they should have at least waited until after they show arrows and then charged. If I remember correctly, I think D&D said their thinking behind that was that because they were pumped up after their weapons being lit on fire they charged (could be misremembering that, that that wasn't actually the game plan. Dany also abandoned the game plan once she saw them all get killed.
But a fair amount of people died in that battle. Theon and Jorah were two main characters, and after it was all said and done actually had two of the best story arcs. In the books and show, Theon/Reek was a favorite of mine. Night King, Melisandre, Lady Mormont, Beric Dondarrion, The Knight King, Edd. Probably could have had another main character or two die.
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Arya easily killing the NK and ending the series long build up of the WW was probably the most unsatisfying way I could think of to defeat a villain.
I 100% get people being mad about that. Jon and the Knight King needed to face off in some way. Even if it's them fighting and Arya comes up and stabs him, at least have those two square off in some way. Fighting on dragons, while badass, was not enough.
The thing that made me mad the most about Arya, seriously one of my all time favorite book characters, was that they essentially made her a faceless man/woman. They turned her into "no one". She was not no one. She didn't even remotely finish her training and should not have been able to change faces. She never learned how to do that. I thought that was a cheap trick and I hope they don't do that in the books. Not that the books will ever come out.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Amazing to go back 10 years ago during when Season 4 wrapped up. It was the consensus that the show would knock off The Sopranos as the GOAT. It was pure perfection. Ashamed what it turned into.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I'm a weak man
Nah. For about 70% (give or take) of its runtime, it's the best tv show in history.
Nothing wrong with enjoying the good parts for what they are.
Gutted about how it ended...but that also falls in line with how the the author took a dump on all the readers, too.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:27 pm to etm512
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Do you know which parts of the script were being read when these reactions were captured
the bottom 2 i remember are Varys dying.
he out smarts everyone the entire show then gets caught in yet again the most absurd way, a way that he would NEVER get caught.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:30 pm to iwyLSUiwy
S5 kinda ruined it for me. FWIW I've never read the books.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:30 pm to Triple Bogey
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Sam Tarley I thought was dead 10 times only to be completely fine in the end. Just completely botched.
The actual tale of A Song of Ice and Fire is being told by Samwell so he had the ultimate plot armor
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:41 pm to drizztiger
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“I wanted to kill everyone,” Sapochnik said. “I wanted to kill Jorah in the horse charge at the beginning. I was up for killing absolutely everyone. I wanted it to be ruthless, so that in the first 10 minutes you say, ‘All bets are off; anyone could die.’ And David and Dan didn’t want to. There was a lot of back-and-forth on that.” Dumb and Dumber.
That’s how I went into that battle expecting things to go.
frick you D&D
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:51 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I was going to write a fairly long post about what went wrong with GoT, but I think I can sum it up more easily by using this example: the end of the first book and of Season One of the show has one of the best swerves of all time when Ned, the guy you assume is the main character of the series, is OH MY GOD THEY KILLED SEAN BEAN!!! This works because there were books/seasons to come in which they could expand on that initial chapter to tell an even bigger and more interesting story.
The way they ended the show felt the same as if they had stopped with the last episode of Season One, and never done anything else. Important plot threads that had been set up were just left there, dangling, while the character we thought the show was actually about was (figuratively, in this case) killed off.
The way they ended the show felt the same as if they had stopped with the last episode of Season One, and never done anything else. Important plot threads that had been set up were just left there, dangling, while the character we thought the show was actually about was (figuratively, in this case) killed off.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:56 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Just about everything you said was spot on
ETA: Ramin Djawadi is the real MVP though. No matter how stupid the writing, at least the music was always perfect
quote:She needed Jon because without him, the north wouldn't have accepted her as queen. Not willingly, at least. Remember the Starks and most other northern houses fought against the Targaryens during Robert's rebellion.
3) Just let Jon and company die out there and live to fight another day but just with 6-7 less men.
quote:That charge was by far the stupidest thing in the show. Even the most retarded commander isn't sending damn near his entire cavalry and infantry to fight the enemy on an open field and giving up the advantage of a fortified castle. The episode was visually well done at least, though wish they could've had a little bit more light. Pretty much have to be in a dark room for it to be watchable.
I will defend the Battle of Winterfell though, I'm sorry, that was a bad arse battle outside of completely wasting her Khalasar on a dumb charge into the night. It was a gritty, dirty, smokey battle and needed to be dark.
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the glorious boobs of Tyene Sand and "bad poosy"
ETA: Ramin Djawadi is the real MVP though. No matter how stupid the writing, at least the music was always perfect
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:03 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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beyond the wall... the wall that is wide open now.
The bigger question is why have the wall at all now? What are you guarding? The White Walkers are dead and the barbarians joined you.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:07 pm to iwyLSUiwy
yes everything about it was stupid. However the stupidest part of all what all they had to do was…nothing
The wights couldn’t cross the fricking wall
Everyone (south of the wall) was perfectly safe until dipshits gave them a dragon
The wights couldn’t cross the fricking wall
Everyone (south of the wall) was perfectly safe until dipshits gave them a dragon
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:20 pm to drizztiger
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“I wanted to kill everyone,” Sapochnik said. “I wanted to kill Jorah in the horse charge at the beginning. I was up for killing absolutely everyone. I wanted it to be ruthless, so that in the first 10 minutes you say, ‘All bets are off; anyone could die.’ And David and Dan didn’t want to. There was a lot of back-and-forth on that.” Dumb and Dumber.
Hadn't heard that before, interesting. I like the way Jorah went out, it was pretty fitting. I'm trying to think of what other main characters they could have killed off that would have had a fairly complete story arc at that point. Brienne probably, that would have been emotional for Jamie and would have made his dumb return to Cersei make a little more sense. Jamie too honestly. Davos maybe. Could have shocked everyone and killed Tyrion in the crypts. I would have loved for Bran to die. He was a zombie at that point and had n interest in anything other than being the three eyed raven, which makes his character wanting/accepting being the king even dumber than it already was. Tormund probably could have died as well.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:33 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Remember the Starks and most other northern houses fought against the Targaryens during Robert's rebellion.
Forgive me but I read that and what popped into my mind was
There have always been Starkadders at Cold Comfort Farm.
Sorry.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:38 pm to Tiger Prawn
quote:It wasn't too dark for me to see itquote:
hat was a bad arse battle outside of completely wasting her Khalasar on a dumb charge into the night. It was a gritty, dirty, smokey battle and needed to be dark.
That charge was by far the stupidest thing in the show. Even the most retarded commander isn't sending damn near his entire cavalry and infantry to fight the enemy on an open field and giving up the advantage of a fortified castle. The episode was visually well done at least, though wish they could've had a little bit more light. Pretty much have to be in a dark room for it to be watchable.
, I guess it pushed the envelope on what your tv could show. Wasting the Dothraki was so, so stupid. I don't mind them being out there on the field, but frick- use some tactics. On horseback, you're faster than the dead. Just keep harrying the edges, and peel back off. They're not heavy cavalry, they aren't made to run through a pack of soldiers.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:42 pm to iwyLSUiwy
2 main reasons why GOT sucked as it aged.
#1. Great actors being killed off. It’s impossible to replace guys on the level of Tywin, Roose, Stannis or even Arya’s mom and not have quality of the show go down.
#2. Political Intrigue/Midevil Times >>>> Big Budget CGI dragons/whitewalkers.
Taking a show based on drama and morphing it into action/sci-fi was never going to go over well.
#1. Great actors being killed off. It’s impossible to replace guys on the level of Tywin, Roose, Stannis or even Arya’s mom and not have quality of the show go down.
#2. Political Intrigue/Midevil Times >>>> Big Budget CGI dragons/whitewalkers.
Taking a show based on drama and morphing it into action/sci-fi was never going to go over well.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:50 pm to iwyLSUiwy
It's truly sad to see such a well-made story go completely sideways like this show did with such a ludicrous choice.
And the hyperdrive dragon ride to save those north of the Wall... is only followed up by Dany 'forgetting' about the Iron Fleet.
So many nonsensical things happening.
And the hyperdrive dragon ride to save those north of the Wall... is only followed up by Dany 'forgetting' about the Iron Fleet.
So many nonsensical things happening.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:58 pm to madmaxvol
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Pretty much every scene with the Sand Snakes is borderline unwatchable.
Except the one when they were prisoners. Nice set of knockers on one.
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