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In a meeting between the Big 12 and TTU, Campbell made this point and said the league had to do this whether it wants to or not. His goal is to target SEC recruits and players.

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Why the SEC, and not the Big 10?

I mean, I guess you have teams in Oklahoma, Texas, and Florida. But it still seems like there's more overlap with the Big 10 region.

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And NYPD Blue itself is a soft sequel series to HSB.

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My point was that NYPD Blue was such a leap forward

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Been awhile since I've seen either, but I watched both when they aired.

Would honestly say Hill Street Blues had the more interesting cast of characters. Some don't stand up that well now, because they were a bit over the top.... Belker and Howard for instance. But they were fun to watch.
I still remember things like Howard getting the Sherman tank for his SWAT team.

Not a troll question,

What's the "Brian Kelly" line for Deboer at Bama? Losses to LSU and Auburn, and 1-2 more?

I know they insist his seat isn't hot, but I just don't believe it. The admin might support him, but the boosters have to be getting squirrelly.

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Was it a shithole in 1817?

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I was going to write something snarky :lol:, but decided to look it up instead.

No, it was not

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SEC School / Location Status in 1817 Daily Life & Context
LSU (Baton Rouge, LA) Incorporated Town
A bustling, multilingual port town on the Mississippi River bluffs with a diverse population of nearly 1,500 people.
Georgia (Athens, GA) Small Frontier Village
Founded in 1801 around the young university, Athens was an isolated, heavily wooded settlement with only a few hundred residents.
South Carolina (Columbia, SC) Established State Capital
A planned, thriving political and cotton-trading hub (founded 1786) with a population of over 2,000, making it one of the few places more developed than Baton Rouge.
Vanderbilt (Nashville, TN) Growing Frontier Town
An incorporated town of around 3,000 people. It was a major trading center on the Cumberland River, rapidly expanding due to early steamboat commerce.
Kentucky (Lexington, KY)"Athens of the West"
The most culturally advanced town on this list. It boasted a population over 5,000, active manufacturing, and a mature wealthy class.
Tennessee (Knoxville, TN) Former Territorial Capital
A rustic but established Appalachian town of roughly 1,500 people, serving as a gateway for settlers moving further west.
Alabama (Tuscaloosa, AL) Pioneer Log Settlement
Known as "The Cabin Settlement," it was a tiny cluster of log huts. The Mississippi Territory was just split in 1817, and the area was wide-open wilderness.
Auburn (Auburn, AL) Creek Nation Territory
Non-existent. The land belonged entirely to the Creek Nation and would not be settled by white pioneers until the late 1830s.
Ole Miss (Oxford, MS) Chickasaw Nation Territory
Non-existent. The area was ancestral Chickasaw land and would not be ceded to the U.S. or founded as a town until the 1830s.
Mississippi State (Starkville, MS) Choctaw Nation Territory
Non-existent. The region was controlled by the Choctaw Nation. The town was not established until after the 1830 Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek.
Florida (Gainesville, FL) Spanish Territory / Seminole Land
Florida belonged to Spain in 1817. The area was deep wilderness home to the Seminole people; Gainesville was not founded until 1853.
Arkansas (Fayetteville, AR) Osage & Cherokee Territory
Deep wilderness. The Arkansas Territory hadn't even been formed yet (1819). The area was Ozark wilderness hunting ground.
Missouri (Columbia, MO) Pioneer Outpost
Missouri was still a territory. Columbia was not laid out until 1821; in 1817, it was just a few scattered pioneer cabins.
Texas A&M (College Station, TX) Spanish Texas / Wilderness
Total wilderness under nominal Spanish control. Anglo-American colonization of Texas did not begin in earnest until the 1820s.
Texas (Austin, TX)Spanish Texas / Comanche Territory
Dangerous frontier. The site of Austin was completely unsettled, roaming grounds for the powerful Comanche and Tonkawa tribes.
Oklahoma (Norman, OK) Plains Tribes Territory
Uncharted territory populated by the Wichita and other Plains tribes. It would later become Indian Territory via forced removals.

Key Differences in Daily LifeCultural Fusion vs. Anglo-Pioneers: While towns like Nashville and Lexington were strictly Anglo-American, Baton Rouge daily life was a unique blend of French, Spanish, British, and American laws, languages, and architecture.Geopolitics: Baton Rouge had only been part of the United States for seven years (following the 1810 West Florida Rebellion). Places like Austin, College Station, and Gainesville were still entirely foreign soil owned by Spain.

Indigenous Frontiers: In 1817, the deep-South schools (Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State) were completely non-existent because the sovereign Creek, Chickasaw, and Choctaw nations still held total control of those lands.

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In 1817, the title of "most cultured" belonged to Lexington, Kentucky, closely followed by Columbia, South Carolina, and Baton Rouge, Louisiana. During this era, "culture" in the American South and West was defined by wealth, formal architecture, higher education, literature, and access to European goods. Here is how the top tier of 1817 SEC school locations ranked by cultural sophistication:

1. Lexington, Kentucky (The "Athens of the West")
Lexington was arguably the most culturally advanced city in the entire American interior, vastly outshining places like Chicago, Cincinnati, or St. Louis at the time.Education & Intellect: It was home to Transylvania University (founded 1780), which featured the first law school and medical school in the West. Its libraries rivaled those on the East Coast.High Society: The town boasted the region's first orchestra, a permanent theater company, a public library, and multiple literary societies.Wealth & Architecture: Wealthy hemp and horse barons built grand, permanent brick estates designed by professional architects, moving far away from the frontier's log cabin aesthetic.

2. Columbia, South Carolina
As a wealthy, planned state capital, Columbia was the epicenter of the Antebellum South’s planter aristocracy. The University Vibe: South Carolina College (founded 1801, now the University of South Carolina) was already fully operational. It served as a massive cultural and political center where the Southern elite sent their sons to be educated. Urban Planning: The city was built on a massive, grand scale with wide avenues, lush gardens, and permanent state buildings designed to showcase civic pride and Enlightenment-era ideals. Luxury Markets: Because of its direct stagecoach and river connections to Charleston, citizens had easy access to imported European wine, fine silks, silver, and furniture.

3. Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Baton Rouge did not have the high-end academic institutions of Lexington or Columbia in 1817, but it was culturally unique due to its international flair. Multilingual Diversity: While other SEC towns were strictly Anglo-Saxon, Baton Rouge daily life was a cosmopolitan blend of French, Spanish, Anglo-American, Creole, and African cultures. Global Access: Sitting directly on the Mississippi River meant that international ships brought the latest European fashions, wines, books, and news directly to the town's bluffs long before they reached inland wilderness settlements. Sophisticated Planning: The grand Beauregard Town grid, laid out by a French aristocrat in 1806, was designed with a European-style civic layout that felt distinctly Mediterranean compared to American pioneer towns.

4. Nashville, Tennessee Nashville was in a transitional phase in 1817. It was rapidly accumulating immense wealth through cotton and river trade, but it still retained a rugged, rough-around-the-edges frontier identity. Cumberland College (the precursor to Vanderbilt's era) existed but was struggling financially, and the town was more focused on rapid commerce and politics than high arts.

The Rest of the Field: Wilderness
The remaining 12 modern SEC school towns—including Tuscaloosa, Athens, and all the locations that were still sovereign Native American or Spanish territory—possessed zero Euro-American "high culture" in 1817. They were landscapes of log cabins, military tracks, or ancient tribal hunting grounds.

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If thats what you have to say to make yourself feel better lol

We both have natties in 2 out of 3 of those sports. The difference is TN is a threat to win in each and LSU is a threat to get shot up in BR

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That's an odd point to troll on;

LSU has 3 football natties since Tennessee's last one, which wasn't even in the 2000's. If you want to get technical about the OP, neither team won in that timeframe, but LSU won the year before.

As for baseball, LSU has 8 titles to Tennessee's one. 2 in the OP timeframe, and won more recently.

I understand trolling, but there's nothing to back it up.

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That Oregon St game was weirder than you described. They actually missed 3 extra points that night. The last one in OT to eke put a Tiger victory

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What makes it weirder, it wasn't just some random scrub kicker.

That OSU guy was All Pac 10 that year, All American and won the Lou Groza award the next.

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Seems like we were one of select teams to not be able to stop Reed or Milroe. Two mediocre QBs.

A terrible Oklahoma team beat the same Bama team that demolished us in 2024 and Milroe didn’t run around crazy

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Oklahoma was quite a bit better than us on defense in 2024, they were ranked #7 FEI wise and we were #25.

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In 2024 we incinerated that OU defense.

There are 2 games that show both what Baker's scheme WANTS to do, and the weaknesses in that scheme (at least with the personnel we had):

2024 A&M, 2025 Ole Miss.
That A&M game we were thoroughly dominating them and on the way to an epic blowout, then they stuck in their backup QB in desperation, and we had zero answer for his mobility. I've never seen a game flip so heavily from one side to another like that.

The Ole Miss game last year, it seemed like we'd sack them for 10 yd losses constantly, only to turn around and give them big gainers the next play.

I'm not sure if we lacked the talent (line to get home, linebackers to clean up the scramble), or if he just overdid it and they figured it out. I'm hoping we progress some there.

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I've noticed that nearly all LSU fans consider Kiffin to be an almost God like head coach, now that he's coaching LSU. Anyone who has anything even remotely negative to say about Kiffin, the LSU fans immediately shoot it down and come to his defense.

So my question is, did all of you LSU fans jerk-off to Kiffin when he was coaching the Raiders, Tennessee, USC, FAU and Ole Miss or did this whole circle jerk begin once he stepped off the plane at LSU?

Did any of you LSU fans ever say that Kiffin has only been good at 2 schools that had very little pressure to succeed; FAU and Ole Miss. And when he has been in high-pressure head coaching jobs, like the Raiders, Tennessee and USC, he has absolutely shite the bed and struggled in pressure jobs/situations.

Not that I would say that LSU fans are two-faced hypocrites or anything, I was just wondering how you all felt about Lane before he ever flirted with the LSU job.

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I've always thought that Kiffin had a brilliant football mind, basically a football savant; but that he needed to grow up and get his shite together.

I initially thought he might have been a fraud after the Raiders fiasco, but my opinion has changed over time. I loved the old Silver and Black, they were my "other" NFL team after the Saints (as a Saints fan growing up, you loved the Saints, and then you had a team- Cowboys, Steelers, Raiders etc- that could actually win a Super Bowl). But Al Davis went insane by the end, and that team was a disaster.

I think Kiffin knows more football than almost anyone, and he wouldn't compromise with anyone to do it his way; and I think he also always had one eye on moving to a bigger program or team. Those 2 factors in conjunction left a trail of bodies in his wake, and almost ended his coaching career prematurely. He left Tennessee in shambles to take the USC job (in his mind, going to a pinnacle spot), and left/fired at USC because he refused to do what the powers there wanted him to do.

I think the "rehab" at Bama under Saban was NOT about football, it was about surviving in the football business. How to get along enough, not to get escorted off the property, at least until he had the skins on the wall to be able to dictate to everyone how things are going to be run. I think he "got fired" at Bama, because Saban wanted him to focus on one team. Can't be a coordinator at a school, and go all-in as head coach elsewhere... can't divide attention. Do you want to be a head coach, or do you want to be a coordinator.

I think FAU was proof he still could run a program, and Ole Miss bought in on that. And Ole Miss was the evidence "bigger" schools needed to see, that he could both elevate a school at this level, and that he could hold his shite together long enough that his ideas would take hold.

I do sorta feel bad for Ole Miss. They rolled the dice on 'damaged goods' Kiffin and it paid off for both the school and Kiffin. And after he turned Auburn down, there was the sense/hope that he would stay there, and Ole Miss could become a power going forward. But this past year that bubble burst. I honestly thought he was going to go to Florida, but then LSU fired Kelly before the Gators could lock things up. And you knew Kiffin was gone, it was just a matter of which program.

I think LSU got the nod after firing their AD and promoting Verge Ausberry. Verge doesn't have the ego to try to force a coach to do something, he's just there to manage the business end. LSU agreed to let Kiffin do things his way, as long as he wins. That was the deciding factor.

I admit I was nervous after Beanie Wells long run...

Felt good again after Hester blew up Malcolm Jenkins on that run. Hester almost put him out of the game, and you knew that was coming all night long.

I thought we killed their qb later in the game.

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Why are liberals obsessed with the World Cup?

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Because the rest of the world, Europe in particular, loves soccer.

You see Liberal non-sports fans get excited about it, because this lets them feel like they are bonding with the "cultured" Europeans.

This is also why they're so alarmed by Europeans having positive experience with rural and everyday American things; it's like a betrayal to them. The Germans and such were supposed to come over and recognize how enlightened Seattle is, but instead they're falling in love with Raising Canes, free drink refills, and Buc-cees.

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One should get Duke, one UNC. It will happen...the fricking two conferences will keep expanding, there are probably not many limits now. So UNC, Duke, Vtech, FSU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Miami, etc will all be in the 2 conferences..it will suck arse beyond belief..it will basically be the NFL. Two divisions(conferences), Free Agency, Paying Players, Playoffs, etc.

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I used to think 2 conferences was the outcome. Longterm, I'm not quite as sure now.

The Big 10 taking in the heart of the Pac 12 seems like a bigger move to me. Groundworks for taking over ALL of college football; you'd eventually have multiple divisions within the Big 10, and the Big 10 championship replaces the CFP. Right now, the SEC is standing in the way of that, but we're getting flanked. They have the West, can NOT let them take the Southeast part of the ACC or they cut into our territory.

If they take enough, they get a disproportionate amount of tv money compared to us, and over time squeeze the SEC until you eventually see teams defecting from here to them.

That's why I mentioned the Arizona schools and Notre Dame. You can't concede the West entirely, and getting into their base territory would potentially force them to rethink. It's probably too far gone to knock them out, but you want to maintain parity so we'd have an equal footing on setting up the new system.