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re: People say that suicide is a cowardly act
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:30 am to TheWalrus
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:30 am to TheWalrus
From the Cambridge dictionary:
Selfish: “caring only about what you want or need without any thought for the needs or wishes of other people”.
The person contemplating suicide does not get to decide how others around them feel. (I am a burden)
If you are suicidal, ask your loved ones if they think you should kill yourself.
If you don’t ask them, you are only thinking of yourself.
That seems like a good fit for the above definition.
That does not mean the depressed person “is/is not” mentally ill. That is a different discussion.
But yes, suicide is the second most selfish act right behind homicide with a plan to commit suicide.
To describe killing yourself as noble or courageous is just trying to justify the selfish action as caring for others more than yourself. If you really care for others - get off the bed and help them.
I know you don’t feel like it.
I know you are tired.
I know you are hopeless.
I know you are empty.
But your feelings don’t determine your functioning. You want great relationships? Then create them with service to others.
You will know how sacrificial you are to others by their faces when you enter the room. They will be glad to see you when you are not a daily drain on their energy.
They are not tired of you. They are tired of you not trying harder.
Selfish: “caring only about what you want or need without any thought for the needs or wishes of other people”.
The person contemplating suicide does not get to decide how others around them feel. (I am a burden)
If you are suicidal, ask your loved ones if they think you should kill yourself.
If you don’t ask them, you are only thinking of yourself.
That seems like a good fit for the above definition.
That does not mean the depressed person “is/is not” mentally ill. That is a different discussion.
But yes, suicide is the second most selfish act right behind homicide with a plan to commit suicide.
To describe killing yourself as noble or courageous is just trying to justify the selfish action as caring for others more than yourself. If you really care for others - get off the bed and help them.
I know you don’t feel like it.
I know you are tired.
I know you are hopeless.
I know you are empty.
But your feelings don’t determine your functioning. You want great relationships? Then create them with service to others.
You will know how sacrificial you are to others by their faces when you enter the room. They will be glad to see you when you are not a daily drain on their energy.
They are not tired of you. They are tired of you not trying harder.
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Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:34 am to TheWalrus
I think self termination in old age or poor health should be widely accepted and admired.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:35 am to TheWalrus
I’ve always said if you get to the point of suicide just put everything you own that isn’t important to you up for sale, load the rest on a trailer, cash out of your bank account and just drive until you find somewhere that looks like would make you happy. Stop there and find and job, home and new friends
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:35 am to LSU alum wannabe
quote:
It’s illness
This. You're sick, and the hardest thing you'll ever do is admit it's true, but it's worth it.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:36 am to TheWalrus
Walrus, you ok bud? I can post my email if you need or want someone to chat with
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:37 am to TheWalrus
It's a selfish act.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:40 am to TheWalrus
Hey man, what's going on?
look, I understand the darkness. The thoughts that intrude, the dark and twisties.
Don't give into them. I promise you, things will get better. There are people that care about you. Get some help please. Reach out.
look, I understand the darkness. The thoughts that intrude, the dark and twisties.
Don't give into them. I promise you, things will get better. There are people that care about you. Get some help please. Reach out.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:41 am to TheWalrus
It is selfish. It takes everything in your body to fight to stay on this earth when you are depressed as frick, have intrusive thoughts, and think people would be better off without you around. there is nothing cowardly about fighting through depression.
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 7:43 am
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:41 am to TheWalrus
Reach out to friends and family. Seek professional help. I won't lie and say it's easy, but it can get better and good Lord is it worth living. I'm on my 19th free year after 20 year old me panicked and jerked the wheel away from the trees I was driving 100mph towards.
For everyone else talking about cowardice or bravery, you have to know the mindset of the depressed and suicidal. I won't tell you it's cowardly or brave, but I will tell you it takes guts and determination. When you're suicidal and depressed you get trapped in this warped logic that you are a burden and that the people you love would be better off if you weren't there anymore. Most people who are genuinely struggling and on the edge aren't thinking about punishing others, they're thinking everyone else would be happier if they weren't around. I know that's a crazy leap of logic that is difficult for most people who are in their right mind to understand, but that's the trap of depression and suicide. You feel caught in this loop of logic where everyone will be happier when you're gone. The people who love you know it isn't true, but it's very difficult for you to see it.
I've lost several friends to suicide, and almost lost myself to it as well. Robin Williams words are incredibly true here, be kind to everyone around you because you never know what people are struggling with in that moment. Again, if you're thinking of suicide reach out to your loved ones, talk to your doctors, and take small steps towards breaking the bad logic loop. It's painful, and risky, and embarrassing, and frustrating and a whole lot of other things but good God is it worth it.
For everyone else talking about cowardice or bravery, you have to know the mindset of the depressed and suicidal. I won't tell you it's cowardly or brave, but I will tell you it takes guts and determination. When you're suicidal and depressed you get trapped in this warped logic that you are a burden and that the people you love would be better off if you weren't there anymore. Most people who are genuinely struggling and on the edge aren't thinking about punishing others, they're thinking everyone else would be happier if they weren't around. I know that's a crazy leap of logic that is difficult for most people who are in their right mind to understand, but that's the trap of depression and suicide. You feel caught in this loop of logic where everyone will be happier when you're gone. The people who love you know it isn't true, but it's very difficult for you to see it.
I've lost several friends to suicide, and almost lost myself to it as well. Robin Williams words are incredibly true here, be kind to everyone around you because you never know what people are struggling with in that moment. Again, if you're thinking of suicide reach out to your loved ones, talk to your doctors, and take small steps towards breaking the bad logic loop. It's painful, and risky, and embarrassing, and frustrating and a whole lot of other things but good God is it worth it.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:44 am to TheWalrus
I know people shite on medications in different threads but I saw what you mentioned you are struggling with and medication can help. If you have already tried that then don’t give up. Sometimes it is trial and error to find what works best for each individual. Yes that is a difficult process to go through while your brain chemistry is changing but hang in there to get through it.
Also our ability to deal with certain things gets better over the years even though at the moment it feels like it won’t
Best wishes for you during this difficult time
Also our ability to deal with certain things gets better over the years even though at the moment it feels like it won’t
Best wishes for you during this difficult time
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:45 am to TheWalrus
Wishing you all the best. Keep fighting the good fight.
One thing that might help is finding a purpose - a way to make the world a little better. Even if it is as simple as making one person smile each day. Or doing grocery runs for people not able to do it themselves. Or visiting shut ins or folks in retirement homes.
Another thing that might help some is to find a way to increase your knowledge or skills base. Read a new book once a week or once a month. Anything from literature to history to how to books. It gives a larger perspective. You can also do puzzles or logic games. Enlarge your horizons.
One thing that might help is finding a purpose - a way to make the world a little better. Even if it is as simple as making one person smile each day. Or doing grocery runs for people not able to do it themselves. Or visiting shut ins or folks in retirement homes.
Another thing that might help some is to find a way to increase your knowledge or skills base. Read a new book once a week or once a month. Anything from literature to history to how to books. It gives a larger perspective. You can also do puzzles or logic games. Enlarge your horizons.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:46 am to TheWalrus
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:50 am to TheWalrus
quote:
knowing you are too big of a pussy to end it.
That's not you being a pussy, that's your voice of reason trying to convince you that it's the wrong decision, it's just muffled and distorted. Clear out the ambient noise and listen to it.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:50 am to PowerTool
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Not even remotely funny.
You said it
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:53 am to TheWalrus
Have a downvote sir.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:56 am to TheWalrus
quote:
People say that suicide is a cowardly act by TheWalrus
They say it’s cowardly if you’re leaving loved ones behind.
It’s the equivalent of abandoning your family. Of course it’s cowardly.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:59 am to TheWalrus
Do it where no one has to clean it up unless you hate them,then go for it.
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 7:59 am
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:59 am to TheWalrus
Our community just lost a sophomore in HS to suicide. Please visit with someone as no problem is too big that suicide is the answer. Praying for your health and well being.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 8:00 am to TheWalrus
I have a lot of experience with suicide personally being affected and working for a national nonprofit trying to prevent and educate.
This can be a really long topic, but in short, most people who die by suicide think they are doing it for the good of their family and friends. They feel they are a burden to everyone and it would just be better if they weren't around.
This can be a really long topic, but in short, most people who die by suicide think they are doing it for the good of their family and friends. They feel they are a burden to everyone and it would just be better if they weren't around.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 8:01 am to TheWalrus
What’s cowardly is this kind of post.
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