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re: New Tundra already having turbo issues?
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:58 am to tigergirl10
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:58 am to tigergirl10
Not everyone is poor like you.
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:01 am to MMauler
quote:Bingo. I learned this in college after 9/11 and fuel prices started going up - traded in my Dad's old F-150 for a more fuel friendly first year off the line Ford Focus. Biiiig mistake as that Focus was a bonafide lemon, slapped a lawsuit on Ford via the lemon law and they paid off my loan and refunded the thousands I spent on repairs. I put less than 20k miles on the thing and it had broken down with major issues 8 times in less than 18 months.
THIS is why you always wait a year or two when a manufacture does a major rebuild/change to a long-standing model, i.e., let them work out the bugs and kinks.
Just recently I was starting to look around for a new truck because my current truck is shot. Saw that Nissan is wheeling out a new Frontier and immediately scratched it off my list to research. I'm not falling into that pit again.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:01 am to MMauler
MMauler - about working out the bugs and kinks - why aren't things like that caught in testing or pre-production models? All manufacturers seem guilty of letting things issues pass without addressing them. My son-in-law owned the first year of Chevy's Colorado truck, with a 5 cylinder engine. Cylinder head issues were a known problem, and my son-in-law had 2 - 3 replaced under warranty. I had a 2016 F-150 with a 5.0 V-8. The intake manifold had a plastic piece that would stick open, requiring the entire manifold be replaced. In the time I owned the truck, the intake had to be replaced twice. This is (was?) a $1,500 two day repair job when performed out of warranty.
Anyway, there seems to be many issues in which manufacturers would rather repair, than re-engineer and permanently fix, a problem. While I understand that cars and trucks are mechanical devices, and that asking every single part to work without failure for the life of the vehicle is unreasonable, not providing a better part when an issue repeatedly presents itself comes off as negligent.
Anyway, there seems to be many issues in which manufacturers would rather repair, than re-engineer and permanently fix, a problem. While I understand that cars and trucks are mechanical devices, and that asking every single part to work without failure for the life of the vehicle is unreasonable, not providing a better part when an issue repeatedly presents itself comes off as negligent.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:03 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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You probably don't HAVE to, but it likely saves total repair time. Cab coming off isn't all that huge of a deal anymore.
I don’t know anything about this, but you’d really have to explain how this could be true.
Besides the body, what about the linkages to the steering, fuel, brakes, a/c system, etc etc. Is everything simply plug-n-play electronics now?
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:03 am to MMauler
quote:gotta be a baw-ller and show off that 2022
THIS is why you always wait a year or two when a manufacture does a major rebuild/change to a long-standing model, i.e., let them work out the bugs and kinks.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:04 am to member12
I trust Toyota more than any other brand but this was a dumb idea. Still, I bet they figure it out.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:04 am to member12
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Hasn’t the Tundra always been made in the US?
At least since the 2007 versions - I remember mine having a made in Texas sticker.
I think Toyota splits 1/2 their models are made in US and 1/2 are made in Japan.
ETA: per google:
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Toyota models strictly made only in Japan include: 4Runner, 86, Land Cruiser, Mirai, Prius, FJ Cruiser, Echo. Lastly, rest of the models strictly made only in the USA include: Avalon, Sequoia, Sienna, Tacoma, Tundra, Camry Solara and Matrix.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:05 am to Jimbeaux
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I don’t know anything about this, but you’d really have to explain how this could be true.
Besides the body, what about the linkages to the steering, fuel, brakes, a/c system, etc etc. Is everything simply plug-n-play electronics now?
i bought a cheap ODB2 reader to check out my 2015 4runner and when i did a diagnostics check i lost count at 34 different ECUs it was checking
an EMT hits and those country boys driving 1980s trucks are going to be laughing their asses off at us.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:06 am to waiting4saturday
I think Ford’s 5.0L engine is now less reliable than their turbo engines. Supposedly turbo engines are more fuel efficient.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:08 am to jimbeam
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Maybe Toyota should stick to what they do and don’t fuq wit shite dat works
This is 100% brought to you by your federal government. They are eking out tiny percentages wherever they can to improve their CAFE numbers. That's why your engine turns off at stop lights. It's why your 10 speed automatic transmission is always aiming to stay at "idle." It's why we're twin-turbo charging sub-2.0 liter motors.
None of it is really about what the customer wants. It is 100% about government regulation, and how the car performs on the EPA fuel economy test loop. frick how it actually is to live with.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:11 am to member12
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I think Ford’s 5.0L engine is now less reliable than their turbo engines. Supposedly turbo engines are more fuel efficient.
That’s the whole idea. It’s the raison d'etre in modern cars. Making cars more and more complicated to chase the higher and higher mpg mandates.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:15 am to Grievous Angel
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It is 100% about government regulation, and how the car performs on the EPA fuel economy test loop.
That's why I bought a VW.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:16 am to member12
It's not the turbo's themselves, but the wastegate not opening. They are trying to determine if it's a part or software. Appears to be only happening on the SR5.
And yes, the way to get to the back turbo is to pull the body off the frame. Apparently that is the easiest way to access it.
And yes, the way to get to the back turbo is to pull the body off the frame. Apparently that is the easiest way to access it.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:17 am to upgrayedd
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This is why I always buy naturally aspirated engines
I mean, for as long as you can. It's why I bought a 21.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:20 am to member12
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Hasn’t the Tundra always been made in the US?
So? It was inevitable.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:26 am to TigerGman
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Toyota quality has gone down ever since they started making them in the U.S.
BS! This is just not true…show me the reliability stats then. Most Tundras that are built in TX are still on the road & tops in longevity.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:26 am to member12
Damn I was really looking forward to that diesel Tacoma but might wait on the 23 model for the bugs to be worked out.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:33 am to olemc999
We’re not getting a freaking diesel Taco or diesel anything in the States, which is a damn shame. Toyota’s diesels (turbo diesels) are some of the best in the world.
*Best way to get a Toyota diesel in the States is to look on Japanese Classics out of Richmond, VA. This company legally imports JDM vehicles, especially the ones that were never sold here, like the excellent Landcruiser Prado, Hilux, Hilux Surf (4runner), etc. All vehicles have to be 25 years or older to legally import to US. Incredibly dumb rule but this a great company.
*Best way to get a Toyota diesel in the States is to look on Japanese Classics out of Richmond, VA. This company legally imports JDM vehicles, especially the ones that were never sold here, like the excellent Landcruiser Prado, Hilux, Hilux Surf (4runner), etc. All vehicles have to be 25 years or older to legally import to US. Incredibly dumb rule but this a great company.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 9:36 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:33 am to NoBoDawg
quote:pretty sure tundras have been made in the US since forever and if you have a better made truck you would like to present, we are all waiting.
Toyota quality has gone down ever since they started making them in the U.S.
BS! This is just not true…show me the reliability stats then. Most Tundras that are built in TX are still on the road & tops in longevity.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:33 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Turbochargers are basically as old of tech as combustion engines are. It blows my mind that basically every new architecture of turbocharged engine from every manufacturer has turbocharger issues.
Subaru seems to be able to put out new turbocharged engines without too much drama.
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