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re: USDA cuts $11 million in funding for North Carolina food banks
Posted on 3/15/25 at 9:55 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 3/15/25 at 9:55 am to imjustafatkid
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The feds already don't maintain the ones in Alabama.
The federal government gave Alabama $1.5 billion for highways in 22-23. LINK
Shouldn’t you be protesting that?
Posted on 3/15/25 at 9:56 am to El Segundo Guy
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If you're an Indian with a tribal card in Oklahoma and you're poor, you get so much food it would make your head spin. And lots goes to waste.
These people laid the groundwork for the lazy DEI crap. "I'm Native, you oppressed me, give everything to me."
This post was edited on 3/15/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 3/15/25 at 9:59 am to 4cubbies
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The federal government gave Alabama $1.5 billion for highways in 22-23. LINK /
Shouldn’t you be protesting that?
That's nice. They don't maintain the interstates in Alabama.
I have no problem with the federal government being a pass-through entity. There should be no "grant process" for this. It should just be given to the states automatically. We shouldn't have to prove we need it to maintain the roads they forced on us.
Of course, that all assumes the feds take the money to start with. It would be best if they weren't stealing my money to hand out at all.
This post was edited on 3/15/25 at 10:00 am
Posted on 3/15/25 at 10:00 am to theronswanson
I love how they take $2B and twist it into $11B that they are being "cheated" out of
How did this even get started? Picking and choosing the winners and losers? A bribe to turn Carolina DIM?
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one of seven food banks that receives funding through federal programs
How did this even get started? Picking and choosing the winners and losers? A bribe to turn Carolina DIM?
Posted on 3/15/25 at 10:25 am to theronswanson
I thought food stamps took care of people who need food.
Posted on 3/15/25 at 10:31 am to theronswanson
Bunch of people in this thread that were up in arms about FEMA's treatment of NC after the hurricane, but now with Trump it's "frick these people on welfare". We all know there are problems with these programs. It's possible to reform programs and not kick people to the curb. This is not the FBI we're talking about, that will never be an instrument for good in our nation. We're talking about a ton of people that need help along with some waste and abuse. This requires a scalpel, not a sledge hammer.
This is how this is supposed to work - you stop the USDA program (and all programs like this such as the school lunch program) and you send the money direct to the states, no pinpointing by district, county etc. You begin retiring people at USDA and elsewhere that administer these programs. You immediately save on what it costs to run the federal govt. The states will not create their own programs over night. What they'll do is port the money to the programs, as is, at first. There will be little disruption. When things stabilize and the states get used to this new way of doing business, they will, on their own, make things more efficient and root out the fraud, waste, and abuse. They'll do this because you will demand they do it and accountability is far higher the lower the level.
Far more transparency and accountability in most states than at the federal level, where dollars come with rules that prevent states from making things more efficient. Example - I bet there isn't more than one or two people on this site that need help feeding their kids at schools, but govt programs don't think like that. They just send blanket amounts of money out there, without flexibility to move it around, and you end up with food that is wasted, money wasted, etc.
Push things to lower levels and we will then have a better system with less F/W/A without people kicked to the cub and we'll get a smaller fedgov. As that is happening, fedgov and states titrate their respective tax burdens so that the cycle from individual to fed to state stops and the money stays in the states. In the end you'll get better programs and a reduced tax burden, and with the emphasis being state / local, you'll probably end up with more volunteer effort and donations as well because people will have faith in these programs and not assume they are merely money funneling schemes.
The dumbest way to go about this is to leave the existing tax structure in place and then cut the programs. This is as bad and as stupid as how East Palestine, Maui, and NC were handled by Biden. Cutting programs saves the most money in the short term but it hurts Americans. We'll still get where we need to be by doing this the smart way. Its the trajectory of our debt/deficit that is most important. When we clean that up, our financial problems are over.
It's not a WIN when Americans suffer, just so you can increase the dollar amount in the savings column. No one cares what the govt saves when they can't afford to eat. When they can't afford to eat, they will damn sure get to the voting booth and vote for whomever they believe will reverse that state of affairs. Food is existential.
This is how this is supposed to work - you stop the USDA program (and all programs like this such as the school lunch program) and you send the money direct to the states, no pinpointing by district, county etc. You begin retiring people at USDA and elsewhere that administer these programs. You immediately save on what it costs to run the federal govt. The states will not create their own programs over night. What they'll do is port the money to the programs, as is, at first. There will be little disruption. When things stabilize and the states get used to this new way of doing business, they will, on their own, make things more efficient and root out the fraud, waste, and abuse. They'll do this because you will demand they do it and accountability is far higher the lower the level.
Far more transparency and accountability in most states than at the federal level, where dollars come with rules that prevent states from making things more efficient. Example - I bet there isn't more than one or two people on this site that need help feeding their kids at schools, but govt programs don't think like that. They just send blanket amounts of money out there, without flexibility to move it around, and you end up with food that is wasted, money wasted, etc.
Push things to lower levels and we will then have a better system with less F/W/A without people kicked to the cub and we'll get a smaller fedgov. As that is happening, fedgov and states titrate their respective tax burdens so that the cycle from individual to fed to state stops and the money stays in the states. In the end you'll get better programs and a reduced tax burden, and with the emphasis being state / local, you'll probably end up with more volunteer effort and donations as well because people will have faith in these programs and not assume they are merely money funneling schemes.
The dumbest way to go about this is to leave the existing tax structure in place and then cut the programs. This is as bad and as stupid as how East Palestine, Maui, and NC were handled by Biden. Cutting programs saves the most money in the short term but it hurts Americans. We'll still get where we need to be by doing this the smart way. Its the trajectory of our debt/deficit that is most important. When we clean that up, our financial problems are over.
It's not a WIN when Americans suffer, just so you can increase the dollar amount in the savings column. No one cares what the govt saves when they can't afford to eat. When they can't afford to eat, they will damn sure get to the voting booth and vote for whomever they believe will reverse that state of affairs. Food is existential.
Posted on 3/15/25 at 10:31 am to theronswanson
Probably mostly feeding "migrants".
Posted on 3/15/25 at 10:32 am to chryso
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I thought food stamps took care of people who need food.
Too hard to commit fraud with that program.
Posted on 3/15/25 at 10:41 am to CamdenTiger
I believe so. See... Ralph Baric University of North Carolina
Posted on 3/15/25 at 11:26 am to theronswanson
I wonder how much the CEO of that “non-profit” makes.
Posted on 3/15/25 at 11:45 am to 4cubbies
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I would bet my house that no more than 10 total regular poli board posters gives to charity.
You would lose your house ... not even close
There are a lot that give to various charities
I would like a real reason why you feel the government has a better right to take my money and tell me that they know better than me how to give it away to charity . That is the definition an authoritarian government
This post was edited on 3/15/25 at 11:53 am
Posted on 3/15/25 at 11:56 am to theronswanson
We have food stamp programs. Is this a payoff to the local farmers?
Posted on 3/15/25 at 12:01 pm to chryso
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I thought food stamps took care of people who need food.
Food banks are usually churches/charities. Much of what they get is private donations.
Between food stamps and food banks, the food bank is far less govt controlled.
Posted on 3/15/25 at 12:04 pm to Azkiger
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Probably mostly feeding "migrants".
Old folks.
Posted on 3/15/25 at 12:06 pm to theronswanson
Food banks in NC do more than just supply food. They also have a Workforce Development Program. They offer education and employment sponsorship for individuals who are unemployed.
Their local food bank program that helps find employment is probably better than state or federal programs.
Cutting a $11 million dollar program might hurt tax payers more than it helps. Now they will use state and federal programs that cost more money that are less effective in finding employment.
Their local food bank program that helps find employment is probably better than state or federal programs.
Cutting a $11 million dollar program might hurt tax payers more than it helps. Now they will use state and federal programs that cost more money that are less effective in finding employment.
This post was edited on 3/15/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 3/15/25 at 12:10 pm to MizzouBS
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Their local food bank program to help find employment is probably a lot better than a state or federal programs.
Volunteered a week at one packing boxes for old folks, most people there were volunteers and much of the food was donated.
Posted on 3/15/25 at 12:15 pm to theronswanson
These are leaches. They are not concerned about the farmers. They are concerned about their own pay.
The whole process is set up to see how many people were can pay. Multi millions in salaries is what this is about.
The whole process is set up to see how many people were can pay. Multi millions in salaries is what this is about.
Posted on 3/15/25 at 12:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:We do it every year prior to Thanksgiving, most of the product is donated by grocery chains, semi loads. Even turkeys.
Volunteered a week at one packing boxes for old folks, most people there were volunteers and much of the food was donated.
Posted on 3/15/25 at 12:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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quote:
Probably mostly feeding "migrants".
Old folks.
No. It's paying salaries of the upper echelon of the food banks.
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