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In other words, at least as accurate as science of consensus regarding AGW/climate change, or CV19 as a natural zoonosis
Sure, do you feel better now?
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# 1. ADAM ? FLOOD (GENESIS 5)
This is where **most variance begins**.
### Masoretic Text (MT)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth | Years After | Total Lifespan |
| --------------- | ------------------ | ----------- | -------------- |
| Adam | 130 | 800 | 930 |
| Seth | 105 | 807 | 912 |
| Enosh | 90 | 815 | 905 |
| Kenan | 70 | 840 | 910 |
| Mahalalel | 65 | 830 | 895 |
| Jared | 162 | 800 | 962 |
| Enoch | 65 | 300 | 365 |
| Methuselah | 187 | 782 | 969 |
| Lamech | 182 | 595 | 777 |
| Noah (to Flood) | 600 | — | 950 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (MT):**
Add ages at begetting + Noah’s 600 years:
> **1,656 years**
---
### Septuagint (LXX)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| --------------- | ------------------ |
| Adam | 230 |
| Seth | 205 |
| Enosh | 190 |
| Kenan | 170 |
| Mahalalel | 165 |
| Jared | 162 |
| Enoch | 165 |
| Methuselah | 187 |
| Lamech | 188 |
| Noah (to Flood) | 600 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (LXX):**
> **2,262 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+606 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch (SP)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ---------- | ------------------ |
| Adam | 130 |
| Seth | 105 |
| Enosh | 90 |
| Kenan | 70 |
| Mahalalel | 65 |
| Jared | 62 |
| Enoch | 65 |
| Methuselah | 67 |
| Lamech | 53 |
| Noah | 600 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (SP):**
> **1,307 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **–349 years**
---
# 2. FLOOD ? ABRAHAM (GENESIS 11)
This is where **another major divergence occurs**, especially in the Septuagint.
---
### Masoretic Text (MT)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ----------------- | ------------------ |
| Shem (post-Flood) | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 35 |
| Shelah | 30 |
| Eber | 34 |
| Peleg | 30 |
| Reu | 32 |
| Serug | 30 |
| Nahor | 29 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (MT):**
> **292 years**
---
### Septuagint (LXX)
(With **extra generation: Cainan**)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ---------- | ------------------ |
| Shem | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 135 |
| **Cainan** | 130 |
| Shelah | 130 |
| Eber | 134 |
| Peleg | 130 |
| Reu | 132 |
| Serug | 130 |
| Nahor | 179 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (LXX):**
> **~1,072 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+780 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch (SP)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| --------- | ------------------ |
| Shem | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 135 |
| Shelah | 130 |
| Eber | 134 |
| Peleg | 130 |
| Reu | 132 |
| Serug | 130 |
| Nahor | 79 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (SP):**
> **~942 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+650 years**
---
# 3. ABRAHAM ? DAVID
This section is **historical**, not genealogical math.
| Period | Years (approx.) |
| -------------------------- | --------------- |
| Abraham ? Exodus | 430 |
| Exodus ? Conquest & Judges | ~400 |
| Judges ? Saul | ~350 |
| Saul ? David | ~40 |
> **˜ 1,200 years**
?? Same across traditions (minor scholarly variance ±50 yrs).
---
# 4. DAVID ? JESUS
This is **securely dated history**.
| Event | Date |
| ------------------ | -------- |
| David reign begins | ~1010 BC |
| Jesus born | ~5 BC |
> **˜ 1,000 years**
---
# 5. GRAND TOTALS (FULL CALCULATION)
### Masoretic Text
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 1,656 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 292 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (MT):**
> **4,148 years**
---
### Septuagint
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 2,262 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 1,072 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (LXX):**
> **5,534 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 1,307 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 942 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (SP):**
> **4,449 years**
---
# 6. FINAL RANGE (WITH EXPLANATION)
> **Biblical Adam ? Jesus chronology ranges from ~4,100 to ~5,500 years**
The **entire spread** comes from:
* Different **ages at fatherhood**
* One **extra generation (Cainan)** in LXX
* No missing generations — just different math.
So, humans didn't exist on the planet prior to 5500-4100BC.
AND, Noah's flood happened around 3300-2500BC.
Both of these are completely and utterly historical. Jesus is much the same. Your current religion is filled with scientific inaccuracies, pagan traditions, and contradictions.
I know, I know. The Bibles genealogy isn't meant to be taken literal huh? It's really a parable, right? :lol:
This is where **most variance begins**.
### Masoretic Text (MT)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth | Years After | Total Lifespan |
| --------------- | ------------------ | ----------- | -------------- |
| Adam | 130 | 800 | 930 |
| Seth | 105 | 807 | 912 |
| Enosh | 90 | 815 | 905 |
| Kenan | 70 | 840 | 910 |
| Mahalalel | 65 | 830 | 895 |
| Jared | 162 | 800 | 962 |
| Enoch | 65 | 300 | 365 |
| Methuselah | 187 | 782 | 969 |
| Lamech | 182 | 595 | 777 |
| Noah (to Flood) | 600 | — | 950 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (MT):**
Add ages at begetting + Noah’s 600 years:
> **1,656 years**
---
### Septuagint (LXX)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| --------------- | ------------------ |
| Adam | 230 |
| Seth | 205 |
| Enosh | 190 |
| Kenan | 170 |
| Mahalalel | 165 |
| Jared | 162 |
| Enoch | 165 |
| Methuselah | 187 |
| Lamech | 188 |
| Noah (to Flood) | 600 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (LXX):**
> **2,262 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+606 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch (SP)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ---------- | ------------------ |
| Adam | 130 |
| Seth | 105 |
| Enosh | 90 |
| Kenan | 70 |
| Mahalalel | 65 |
| Jared | 62 |
| Enoch | 65 |
| Methuselah | 67 |
| Lamech | 53 |
| Noah | 600 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (SP):**
> **1,307 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **–349 years**
---
# 2. FLOOD ? ABRAHAM (GENESIS 11)
This is where **another major divergence occurs**, especially in the Septuagint.
---
### Masoretic Text (MT)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ----------------- | ------------------ |
| Shem (post-Flood) | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 35 |
| Shelah | 30 |
| Eber | 34 |
| Peleg | 30 |
| Reu | 32 |
| Serug | 30 |
| Nahor | 29 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (MT):**
> **292 years**
---
### Septuagint (LXX)
(With **extra generation: Cainan**)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ---------- | ------------------ |
| Shem | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 135 |
| **Cainan** | 130 |
| Shelah | 130 |
| Eber | 134 |
| Peleg | 130 |
| Reu | 132 |
| Serug | 130 |
| Nahor | 179 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (LXX):**
> **~1,072 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+780 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch (SP)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| --------- | ------------------ |
| Shem | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 135 |
| Shelah | 130 |
| Eber | 134 |
| Peleg | 130 |
| Reu | 132 |
| Serug | 130 |
| Nahor | 79 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (SP):**
> **~942 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+650 years**
---
# 3. ABRAHAM ? DAVID
This section is **historical**, not genealogical math.
| Period | Years (approx.) |
| -------------------------- | --------------- |
| Abraham ? Exodus | 430 |
| Exodus ? Conquest & Judges | ~400 |
| Judges ? Saul | ~350 |
| Saul ? David | ~40 |
> **˜ 1,200 years**
?? Same across traditions (minor scholarly variance ±50 yrs).
---
# 4. DAVID ? JESUS
This is **securely dated history**.
| Event | Date |
| ------------------ | -------- |
| David reign begins | ~1010 BC |
| Jesus born | ~5 BC |
> **˜ 1,000 years**
---
# 5. GRAND TOTALS (FULL CALCULATION)
### Masoretic Text
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 1,656 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 292 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (MT):**
> **4,148 years**
---
### Septuagint
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 2,262 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 1,072 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (LXX):**
> **5,534 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 1,307 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 942 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (SP):**
> **4,449 years**
---
# 6. FINAL RANGE (WITH EXPLANATION)
> **Biblical Adam ? Jesus chronology ranges from ~4,100 to ~5,500 years**
The **entire spread** comes from:
* Different **ages at fatherhood**
* One **extra generation (Cainan)** in LXX
* No missing generations — just different math.
So, humans didn't exist on the planet prior to 5500-4100BC.
AND, Noah's flood happened around 3300-2500BC.
Both of these are completely and utterly historical. Jesus is much the same. Your current religion is filled with scientific inaccuracies, pagan traditions, and contradictions.
I know, I know. The Bibles genealogy isn't meant to be taken literal huh? It's really a parable, right? :lol:
re: So we now know where dogs came from:
Posted by Azkiger on 12/28/25 at 11:29 am to cssamerican
quote:
Not really…Everyone is guessing or has faith in sone idea. The same scientific consensus you’ve so sure about today will likely have a different consensus in a century or so. Your faith just happens to be in a more recent idea. Know one really KNOWS.
Here's the difference.
Darwin's theory of evolution had a lot of incorrect minor claims that over the last century has been disproven.
The main claim? It's more and more supported by the evidence. It's practically at the level of the theory of gravity. It's such a powerful theory it has applications outside of biology. It explains solar system/galaxy/etc rotations, human sociology, all sorts of things.
In a century minor claims will likely be altered, but the overall theory will remain. The picture is getting more and more clear as we stack more and more evidence that supports it.
Religion is the opposite. There's more and more instances of retreating from literal to figurative.
Noah's flood, 10 plagues of Egypt, Adam and Eve, etc. These are big stories, not little side notes.
quote:
You really are that incapable? Seriously?
Where?
North America: Missoula, Agassiz
Europe: Saalian Glaciation
Asia: Himalayan Region and Russia
ME: Gulf Oasis, Persian Gulf (Agassiz related)
When?
The Persian Gulf catastrophe occurred ~6000BC
My man, you said people were affected globally.
Im going to need specific locations of very intense/rapid flooding impacting human communities.
quote:
instead of trying to catch up?
I asked you for locations and dates, you gave me a global trend. This was your claim, not mine. Time to back it up.
quote:
Says the person who doesn't "believe" massive worldwide floods occurred during the YoungerDryas - Holocene transition?
Lets discuss the holocene transition.
Sea levels rose 1-2 meters per century (or about .6 inches a year).
That's the "global flood" you're leaning on.
:lol:
Again, it's completely literal until we actually know fricking better. We'll, some of us know fricking better...
quote:
Neither accounted for allegory.
:lol: There it is.
Everything's literal until science proves it to be bullshite.
quote:
you're joking?
Snow and ice melts resulted sudden catastrophic flooding at numerous points worldwide with the end of the most recent stadial. You didn't know that?
Wait, you're calling water levels rising over decades a flood?
re: Nick Shirley is going to daycares in MN calling out Somlaians for their fraud
Posted by Azkiger on 12/27/25 at 2:34 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:
Home healthcare is a little different from child daycare.
Home health companies were part of the video.
re: Nick Shirley is going to daycares in MN calling out Somlaians for their fraud
Posted by Azkiger on 12/27/25 at 10:46 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
Every one I ever used would have been closed Thursday and Friday of this past week and Thursday and Friday of this coming week.
Home health here, we were all seeing patients Wednesday and Friday.
I made 45 min worth of calls on Christmas day, sent 20-30 texts while my in-laws were here visiting.
Were essentially always on call.
We'll be working new years eve and day, too. Only Thanksgiving day and Christmas day are expected days off. Beyond that it's schedule your vacation or hit the road and see patients.
quote:
That there were likely large scale floods all over the globe during a concentrated period.
Name the locations and dates.
re: Isn't it really weird in Minnesota.....
Posted by Azkiger on 12/27/25 at 10:19 am to Louisianalabguy
Can't hate journalists enough.
Oh my god... this is just like nazi germany...
quote:
Look up the Great Flood of Gun-Yu.
So what's your take? If a global flood happened and killed everyone, how were people still alive all over the world telling stories of the great flood that killed everyone?
quote:
Every society has a flood story.
So therefore a global flood had to happen? What's the logic here?
Every society has a famine story too. Does that also mean there was a global famine?
re: The predator randomly picked a woman yet again
Posted by Azkiger on 12/26/25 at 10:32 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Death penalty is the only option for justice.
:cheers: this x 100
re: So we now know where dogs came from:
Posted by Azkiger on 12/26/25 at 10:24 pm to Fat Bastard
Known liar. Proven in court.
quote:
Chinese lie
:lol: Checkmate.
re: So we now know where dogs came from:
Posted by Azkiger on 12/26/25 at 10:22 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
quote:
Nothing makes me laugh more than someone who quotes the bible from someone who heard someone quote the Bible. 5000 years? If you say so.
Bible traces Jesus's lineage back to Adam, who begot who and ages. I've done the math, there's slight variance, few hundred years at most. Can't recall the range, but whichever year range it was had many civilization with written history occurring at that time.
Only people who still believe in a global flood in 2025 are people who are ignorant or willfully ignorant.
quote:
It seems reasonable.
To reasonable people.
re: Sage grouse are gone from North Dakota
Posted by Azkiger on 12/26/25 at 4:04 pm to weagle1999
quote:
Grouse need grass and sage to survive.
And we need cattle.
Do are grouse apex predators on the verge of interplanetary travel?
No?
Sucks to be them.
It's their best guess.
Alternative is to treat the Bible as history and accept there was a global flood like 5,000 years ago, while ancient China was keeping records and were completely unaffected.
Alternative is to treat the Bible as history and accept there was a global flood like 5,000 years ago, while ancient China was keeping records and were completely unaffected.
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