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Posted on 6/2/25 at 4:45 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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If you want peace you need to hold true to agreements where Ukraine wouldn’t be a NATO member on the Russian borde
No agreement such as this exists.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 4:45 pm to Auburn1968
That map has never once changed in 24 years. WOW
Posted on 6/2/25 at 4:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
Whether the MAP passed or not is immaterial.
The fact that the process was begun multiple times proves my original point, that being that both sides before and during the war were considering expanding NATO into Ukraine.
The fact that the process was begun multiple times proves my original point, that being that both sides before and during the war were considering expanding NATO into Ukraine.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 4:53 pm to idlewatcher
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Then have the midget propose his own conditions.
Which midget? You know Z and V are the same sized men, right? Exact same height.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 4:54 pm to Zahrim
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I like this. time to end this stupid arse war that was started by our government wanting them in nato... bush/obama bullshite.
Lmfao.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 4:56 pm to tide06
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The fact that the process was begun multiple times proves my original point, that being that both sides before and during the war were considering expanding NATO into Ukraine.
You're pivoting.
This was the post to which you replied
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Because Ukraine was never going to join NATO first of all.
The fact that they couldn't even get a MAP in 2008, despite being in better positions than countries that did get MAPs, shows it was unlikely.
Add in how Obama was against meddling in Ukraine further strengthens the point. That was strengthened AFTER Yanukovych caused Maidan, FWIW.
It took Russia invading in 2022 to make Ukraine joining NATO become a possibility.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 4:58 pm to tide06
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The fact that the process was begun multiple times proves my original point, that being that both sides before and during the war were considering expanding NATO into Ukraine.
Shithead, former Soviet satellite states have been talking about and aiming to join NATO and the EU for more than 3 decades now. Your central point in your last post was completely wrong by virtue of the link you posted. Jesus you are dim.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 4:58 pm to ClientNumber9
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legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;
frick that.
What if the people that have lived here for generations are culturally Russian in every way? Is self determination only valid when it benefits the American empire?
Posted on 6/2/25 at 5:02 pm to sidewalkside
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downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;this is ludicrous
Basically Russia wants them to get rid of their military and not join any defense pacs. I’m sure Ukraine will trust Russia not to invade at a later date and take the whole country…….
Posted on 6/2/25 at 5:10 pm to GnashRebel
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I’d say they’ve lost an awful lot
Putin believes otherwise and his opinion is the one which matters most.
Estimates of dead and injured vary wildly but at the end of the day Russia has far more warm bodies they can throw in the meat grinder versus what Ukraine can. As long as Putin feels like the attrition rate is still creating positive enough gains, he's going to continue pursuing this.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 5:18 pm to Cuz413
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What if the people that have lived here for generations are culturally Russian in every way? Is self determination only valid when it benefits the American empire?
Kherson and Zaporizhzhia are not under Russian control currently and those regions voted heavily in favor of Ukraine's independence referendum in 1991, upwards of 90 percent. I'm skeptical that those regions would vote to leave Ukraine in a situation where you could assure everything was above board, which also isn’t likely.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 5:19 pm to crazy4lsu
[quote]in favor of Ukraine's independence referendum in 1991[/quote]
Posted on 6/2/25 at 5:20 pm to SDVTiger
Damn retard, learn how to quote properly.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 5:33 pm to Zahrim
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I like this. time to end this stupid arse war that was started by our government
Putin invaded. Or does our government control him?
Posted on 6/2/25 at 5:51 pm to crazy4lsu
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Kherson and Zaporizhzhia are not under Russian control currently and those regions voted heavily in favor of Ukraine's independence referendum in 1991, upwards of 90 percent. I'm skeptical that those regions would vote to leave Ukraine in a situation where you could assure everything was above board, which also isn’t likely.
I'm about 90% sure that they voted for EU integration prior to 2014, too.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 5:57 pm to John Barron
frick Russia, but this is how you open talks.
Our libtards would of just given shite away, and then asked if its ok
Our libtards would of just given shite away, and then asked if its ok
Posted on 6/2/25 at 6:12 pm to John Barron
I’m enjoying the comments to solve a major war between 2 eastern countries coming from an LSU sports message board
Posted on 6/2/25 at 6:15 pm to John Barron
Lol, guess Russia wants to keep feeding is people into a meat grinder forever
Posted on 6/2/25 at 6:22 pm to Cuz413
quote:To the contrary, we maintain our sovereign claims over several states and territories despite various independence movements and the wishes of "cultural others."
What if the people that have lived here for generations are culturally Russian in every way? Is self determination only valid when it benefits the American empire?
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 6:24 pm
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