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Russia outline for Ceasefire conditions for Ukraine at Istanbul Meeting
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:15 pm
"The Russian draft memorandum that was handed over to the Ukrainian delegation today has been published.
Russian demands for ending the war:
Ukraine must:
- legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;
- observe complete military neutrality, not join any blocs;
- downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;
- disband nationalist military and paramilitary units;
- give the Russian language official status and protect the “rights, liberties and interests” of the Russian population;
- outlaw all Nazi organizations;
- lift all restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
- lift all mutual sanctions
Russian demands for an immediate ceasefire:
Ukraine must:
- begin withdrawing its forces from Russian territory
- stop mobilization efforts and begin demobilization
- stop ALL foreign military aid
- remove all third country military personnel from its territory
- end martial law
- schedule parliamentary and presidential elections no later than 100 days after the end of martial law"
Russian demands for ending the war:
Ukraine must:
- legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;
- observe complete military neutrality, not join any blocs;
- downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;
- disband nationalist military and paramilitary units;
- give the Russian language official status and protect the “rights, liberties and interests” of the Russian population;
- outlaw all Nazi organizations;
- lift all restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
- lift all mutual sanctions
Russian demands for an immediate ceasefire:
Ukraine must:
- begin withdrawing its forces from Russian territory
- stop mobilization efforts and begin demobilization
- stop ALL foreign military aid
- remove all third country military personnel from its territory
- end martial law
- schedule parliamentary and presidential elections no later than 100 days after the end of martial law"
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:17 pm to John Barron
quote:this is ludicrous
downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:18 pm to John Barron
Strong opener. Ask for everything.
Typical start to negotiations.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:19 pm to sidewalkside
Aka get all foreign influence out of your military
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:19 pm to John Barron
I like this. time to end this stupid arse war that was started by our government wanting them in nato... bush/obama bullshite.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:21 pm to Zahrim
quote:
time to end this stupid arse war that was started by our government wanting them in nato
The war was started by Russia
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:22 pm to John Barron
quote:
legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;
frick that.
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not join any blocs;
Lol, Russia doesn't get to decide another sovereign nation's alliances.
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give the Russian language official status
Same goes for language. Can you imagine Mexico ordering the US to make Spanish our official language?
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lift all restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
The UOC is an arm of the Kremlin.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:22 pm to dkreller
quote:
Aka get all foreign influence out of your military
Yeah, Not surprising since this War started because of Foreign Influence that orchestrated the Maidan Coup with the goal of Ukraine joining NATO
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:23 pm to Zahrim
quote:
I like this.
time to end this stupid arse war that was started by our government wanting them in nato...
bush/obama bullshite.
^^^^^
I like this
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:24 pm to Powerman
quote:
The war was started by Russia
You probably think this was completely void of any outside influence pushing Russia toward that end.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:25 pm to John Barron
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:26 pm to Powerman
quote:
The war was started by Russia
Thays funny and ignores why Russia invaded in retaliation to violating the no nato agreements, which would be tanamount to Mexico joining the eastern bloc back in the day. but keep simping for the bush/obama doctrine that started the war.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:26 pm to PsychTiger
What was the influence that made them invade a sovereign nation exactly?
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:26 pm to ClientNumber9
quote:
sovereign nation's
Ukraine is not a Sovereign Nation. They are completely dependent on financial assistance from the EU/West. It is no suprise Russia didn't want a EU/NATO puppet state on their doorstep. We wouldn't allow China to do it in Mexico or Canada
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:26 pm to John Barron
quote:
since this War started because of Foreign Influence that orchestrated the Maidan Coup with the goal of Ukraine joining NATO
By having a...*checks notes*....pro-Russian President thwart...*confirms notes*....EU integration
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:26 pm to John Barron
quote:
- legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;
- observe complete military neutrality, not join any blocs;
- downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;
- disband nationalist military and paramilitary units;
- give the Russian language official status and protect the “rights, liberties and interests” of the Russian population;
- outlaw all Nazi organizations;
- lift all restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
- lift all mutual sanctions
Not a fricking chance
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:27 pm to John Barron
quote:
It is no suprise Russia didn't want a EU/NATO puppet state on their doorstep.
Except, that already exists
*ETA and increased post-invasion
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:27 pm to Zahrim
quote:
time to end this stupid arse war that was started by our government wanting them in nato
NATO is a defensive alliance. Russia doesn't get to dictate who is allowed to join and who isn't. Russia invaded a sovereign nation, stop painting them as victims. You Putin shills are fricking amazing.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:30 pm to John Barron
quote:
Ukraine is not a Sovereign Nation.
The world disagrees. Well, except for your sex buddy Putin.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:32 pm to ClientNumber9
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NATO is a defensive alliance.
:shiftingNATOmapgif: quote:
Russia doesn't get to dictate who is allowed to join and who isn't. Russia invaded a sovereign nation, stop painting them as victims.
quote:
How did we get here?
Despite assurances to the contrary, NATO is not a ‘defensive organization’. Even though American memories are short, people elsewhere remember the bombing campaign against Serbia, and the removal of Gaddafi from power in Libya. What NATO is in fact is the military arm of US hegemony, a hegemony that has seen it expand eastwards through Europe, right up to Russia’s very own borders.
“Don’t individual states reserve the right to enter into alliances with those they see fit, Niccolo?” Of course they do. But not all countries are islands, and most countries have neighbours. And not all neighbouring states are created equal, and they have their own national security concerns and interests. This is the case with Russia.
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