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Foreseeable that a reasonable person could see it as a threat is the question. I believe the email as a whole meets that standard.

Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I think that email as a whole falls under aggressive, offensive political hyperbole. It criticized specific actions this official did while in the performing of his public duties. It noted that history will not look kindly upon his actions, and therefore he will never know piece. I don't think it comes close to a true threat.
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If it is foreseeable that a person could perceive it as a threat is the question. Clearly the person who received it did…so…..

You forgot "reasonable."

A person can perceive me walking in their direction as a threat. Who cares if it isn't a reasonable perception.
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Wrong. I think a reasonable person could perceive what was said as a threat. There are several in this thread that said that.

Your first mistake: most posters on this board aren't reasonable.
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I don’t think it ALONE is a criminal threat.

Again....................you are agreeing with me. It's OK to admit it and stand proud. 99% of the time agreeing with me means you are in the right.

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The speech already occurred. Are you claiming his damages are that he felt he couldn’t write another email?

Why does this concept sound so foreign to you?
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Take your own advice. I simply claimed you stating it was not a threat does not make it true.

....a statement of mine you later admitted to agreeing with :cheers:
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I can see a letter having a chilling effect on protected speech. Could be a First Amendment violation.

I think one could make the argument that a reasonable person of ordinary firmness would be deterred from exercising their 1A after being served this "warning letter."

However, I doubt he will have this ruled in his favor.
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The same could be said of the original email

I think the citizenry deserves wide latitude when it comes to criticizing the government officials who work for us.
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wrong. Nobody was charged with a crime. The administrations warning letter was completely appropriate and reasonable. Your equating that letter with someone being charged is funny.


Dude you have to read better. My whole argument from my first post in this thread was that his speech was protected and doesn't constitute a true threat.

....which you finally admitted you agree with :lol:

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I don’t think the letter was inappropriate. Do you agree?

I'm not a fan of it. Agree to disagree.
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It's a close call. It certainly comes across as "unhinged."

Does unhinged warrant a wellness check? I think folks could argue that either way. Likewise, if this or other messages are edging close to line, the federal authorities are actually doing him a service in calling it to his attention.

I'm inclined to agree with Decatur though, that if it did rise to the level of an actionable threat, they would've picked him up, and brought him in.


I think it is hyperbolic and provocative political speech that should remain protected. And I think its clear the government agrees, or to your point, he definitely would have been arrested.

I don't view the govt giving him a "warning" as a benevolent act to keep him out of trouble. It wreaks of a way to intimidate without implicating a legal or constitutional issue.
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I don’t think on its own it would be a chargeable crime

All of your nonsense in this thread just to agree with me :lol:

I don't have cooties. Its OK for you to just admit you agree with me from the jump and save us all some time :cheers:
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But I would be interested in your opinion about the validity of the lawsuit assuming we have complete context on all sides already (I don't think that we do BTW). What is the actual harm driving the suit?

I think you are spot on. The lawsuit fails because the harm is zero or de minimis.

I find the discussion of whether his email rises to unprotected speech far more intriguing.
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Says who?

Thats my position. What's yours? That statement, in this context we have been given thus far, rises to a true threat? Yay or Nay?
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Then we amuse each other. it takes a lot to get under my skin. You haven’t come close. You’re entertainment. I like when people post with hubris from a place of complete ignorance…as you do.

You aren’t special. I have interactions on here all the time with dumb people posting legal conclusions with absolutely zero legal acumen to back it up. You’re a dime a dozen. Now go clean the instruments.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself :cheers:
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Wrong. The Supreme Court specifically states an intent to carry out a violent act is not required.

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The State must show that the defendant consciously disregarded a substantial risk that his communications would be viewed as threatening violence

=/=
"You will never know peace."
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And a scrub tech pretending on the internet to be a doctor shouldn’t be making fun of anyone’s profession.

:lol: :lol:

I really get under your skin. I'm not sure why, but it does amuse me.
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Post the legal definition which allows you to make this claim.

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True threats encompass those statements where the speaker means to communicate a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals.

=/=
"You will never know peace"
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He’s gone. I called him out and asked him to cite the definition he claimed to know and called others ignorant over…and poof. Gone.

:lol: :lol:

I have this thing called work. During times of my day, I cannot immediately respond to TD posts. I hope thats OK with you.
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Why do you dismiss vile behavior because it’s your “team?” It’s such an awful quality that you posses.

A "lawyer" who thinks you can't disagree with someone's opinion while also thinking them stating it shouldn't be illegal.
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Are you too dumb to recognize that is what this post was saying?

You think my asking "Different set of Amendments apply to spiritual leaders?" is equivalent to my stating "context doesn't matter?" Bless your heart....
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What about one that just got released?

See, context matters.


No, man. It's still not a threat :lol:

Just to recap, you think its illegal to tell a convicted rapist who was just released "you will never know peace." :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Feel free to quote me saying context doesn't matter. You'll have as good a chance finding that as "psychopath" in the DSM V :lol: