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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:13 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:13 pm to LuckyTiger
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I would argue the situation can’t be dismissed.
Putin’s view of Russia’s security and survival exists within this realm.
But the way to obviate that security situation has already been laid out by integrating with Europe proper, something Russia does not want to do. The geopolitical flashpoints within Central Europe entirely disappeared through integration. They also have such a terrible demographic crisis that is far more pertinent to their survival, as the demographic situation in the country has been nothing short of a disaster.
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Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:14 pm to LuckyTiger
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I know you dismiss Russian concern over NATO growth
I think it's bullshite but he knows that Western people will parrot the talking point, if that's what you mean.
It's way too irrational for a guy like Putin to truly fear NATO.
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What we would give to have only Canadians and Mexicans near us
This is Russia's fault (and why the "What if Russia put bases in Mexico?" argument is stupid). We fostered long-term relationships with Mexico and Canada based on international agreements, transparency, and collaboration. Russia does not, and has never, been capable of this.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:NO!
I do.
You don't.
And it wasn't until you posted this complete total bullshite ... "the costs of this Russian invasion on the world" ... that I finally had to come to grips with it.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm not pro-Russia. But anyone that poses as a threat to the international order and globalist elites in the West, I would at minimum not wish to interrupt them in that pursuit.
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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And it wasn't until you posted this complete total bullshite ... "the costs of this Russian invasion on the world" ... that I finally had to come to grips with it.
Dude, why are you dismissing the costs that this invasion will create? Do you think the world just goes back to how it was in December 2021? After the 2nd most disruptive event to international relations in the post-USSR world (911 being the #1)?
We have been building something over the past 30 years. This invasion will claw a lot of that back. Russia will move towards the status of Iran (in terms of sanctions and relations). That alone will make transactions worldwide more costly.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Dude ... to whom are you attributing the costs?
Dude, why are you dismissing the costs that this invasion will create?
And again ... Care to carry on ?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:23 pm to burger bearcat
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I'm not pro-Russia. But anyone that poses as a threat to the international order and globalist elites in the West, I would at minimum not wish to interrupt them in that pursuit.
This is literally a "totally not supporting Russia, but" post
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We have been building something over the past 30 years.
The West hasn't built anything worthwhile in 50 years. We used to go to the moon, now we castrate children.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If opposing Russian invasion of a nation that didn't pose any threat to Russia isn't worth the risk, what is? I ask for the fifth time I believe.
So the crux of our difference comes down to what it is and what is it worth.
It is Ukraine and our level of opposition.
You think Ukraine is worth it. I do not. Or, better stated, the line of opposition for you is significantly different from mine. I oppose the invasion of Ukraine and think Russia, Putin and certain Russian players should be sanctioned and ostracized. I oppose sanctions that punish us and our European friends significantly because I refuse to dismiss reality of the energy situation. I also oppose endless billions of military aid.
I also don’t ignore the real role that we played in creating this current mess. We do not come to this situation with clean hands, at all. We supported and funded a coup with the Maiden, that is reality. Our politicians are neck deep in Ukraine murkiness, as our Russians.
Finally this
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a nation that didn't pose any threat to Russia
This is your weakness imo, one produced by your refusal or inability to critically examine and understand a different point of view. Russia does believe that Ukraine under direct US and NATO influence is a threat. It’s not just a propaganda talking point. Their view goes back decades to the “spheres of influence” doctrine.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This is literally a "totally not supporting Russia, but" post
Look, I just don't see any good guys in this ordeal, and that includes Vlad. I dont want anything to do with Russia.
I just would prefer we focus our efforts of ridding the globalists and communists out of all the western governments and education systems. That's the present threat. This whole other deal is a big "look squirrel".
But since we can't focus on getting rid of the globalists, maybe Russia for their own nefarious purposes, indirectly be of some help. Or not. All I know is Biden, Soros, and Klaus Schwab are all on one side, and and Russia is on the other side.
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:30 pm to LuckyTiger
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Their view goes back decades to the “spheres of influence” doctrine.
Then they shouldn't work so hard to alienate everyone in their former sphere of influence.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:32 pm to LuckyTiger
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So the crux of our difference comes down to what it is and what is it worth.
That's what it all comes down to unless you propose the impossible "never intervening ever again unless attacked on continental US soil" standard.
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We do not come to this situation with clean hands
No we don't, but they're not nearly as dirty as the "totally not supporting Russia" sect wants to make it out to be.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:32 pm to LuckyTiger
Good response Lucky,
Do you think the war has brought Ukraine closer or further to the US/Nato? I think the war has dramatically increased the probability that Ukraine will join NATO at some point after the war ends.
If Russia was trying to prevent NATO expansion on its borders, it appears to me that the war has had the exact opposite effect due to Finland and Sweden joining NATO as a result. Would you agree?
If the war were to end today with the current boundaries becoming permanent, does this constitute a win for Russia or Ukraine? My opinion is that it wouldn't be a win for either Russia or Ukraine.
Do you think the war has brought Ukraine closer or further to the US/Nato? I think the war has dramatically increased the probability that Ukraine will join NATO at some point after the war ends.
If Russia was trying to prevent NATO expansion on its borders, it appears to me that the war has had the exact opposite effect due to Finland and Sweden joining NATO as a result. Would you agree?
If the war were to end today with the current boundaries becoming permanent, does this constitute a win for Russia or Ukraine? My opinion is that it wouldn't be a win for either Russia or Ukraine.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:33 pm to SCLibertarian
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This doesn't help your point. It actually destroys it.
Being corrupt and invading your neighbor are different things.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Other than the basic decision you'll have to make as to who is the aggressor nation, there will be different costs involved with different outcomes.
Explain the different costs.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:44 pm to MMauler
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Why, do ignorant, far left whackjobs LIKE YOU continue to tell yourselves that conservatives give a f*ck about Russia, much less the Ukraine?
These same fools spent millions of dollars and years of effort to bring a treasonous coup attempt (impeachment) based on muh Russia and still found nothing. And yet, like the retarded people they are, they’ve learned nothing bc they are incapable of learning.
a person with mental illness can’t change his mind when confronted with facts.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
The real question is how many of you Ukraine fan boys will be upset when 8 months from now not much has changed on the ground? Oh, except that Europe has endured a winter in which people couldn’t heat their homes and businesses couldn’t operate. And they are in a state of total economic collapse. And don’t think for a minute that collapse will stay confined to Europe. How many of our lives need to be destroyed to wage this ridiculous proxy war on behalf of this corrupt kleptocracy where little in the way of US interests are at stake?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm happy with sending money if it keeps US soldiers out of Ukraine
Somebody told you a lie and you bought it hook line and sinker.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:49 pm to moneyg
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Explain the different costs.
We understand what costs will be involved in supporting Ukraine.
If Russia is able to invade a non-aggressive sovereign nation unprovoked, then the international system of collaboration and progress we've been building for 30 years will devolve. Russia is going to be sanctioned, which will create all sorts of negative economic externalities across the globe. Lines may be drawn around that potentially increasing the costs of those externalities.
You may see other rogue nations (especially those with nukes) engaging in similar unprovoked aggression. That's a world war or nuclear war potential scenario at worst, but an unraveling of the liberal world order at best. We'll take steps back and all the progress we've made will take steps back with it. This liberal world order has been very good for the world (most of all the US).
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that doesn’t benefit street level Americans.
You don't think street level Americans have been affected by the higher gas prices as a result of the Russian invasion?
If the illegitimate regime wanted to lower energy costs for the American people they could but they have a vision of “green energy” that will be paid for with higher energy prices.
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