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Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
I dislike Russia, but even a blind man can see Ukraine is a slush fund for our politicos. I don't want us to be involved at all, let Europe pay their own way.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:51 pm to SloaneRanger
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Oh, except that Europe has endured a winter in which people couldn’t heat their homes and businesses couldn’t operate.
Once Russia invaded, this was an inevitability.
Russian sanctions aren't going to go away if they "Win".
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And they are in a state of total economic collapse.
These are the costs I'm speaking of from this invasion.
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And don’t think for a minute that collapse will stay confined to Europe.
I'm not. I'm saying this invasion is going to cost the world trillions, and more the longer it goes on.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
It has already cost us all a great deal, and it may cost us a helluva lot more. And to be clear, I am talking about tangible changes to our personal lives. So why aren’t our leaders working to end this senseless war? And yes, ending it means that Ukraine will have to make concessions.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:58 pm to SloaneRanger
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So why aren’t our leaders working to end this senseless war?
Russia just "annexed" land it is trying to steal. You think the cause of this war will just give those up after its military has suffered massive losses?
That isn't even considering the sanctions Russia will be dealing with.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 4:58 pm to jimmy the leg
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No it hasn’t.
If is bubbling below the surface.
It has completely. When was the last time you heard someone discuss Alsace and Lorraine?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:00 pm to SloaneRanger
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So why aren’t our leaders working to end this senseless war? And yes, ending it means that Ukraine will have to make concessions.
Unfortunately, international politics is now viewed through a mid-wit WW II paradigm. Therefore, Putin is Hitler, and any concession makes you Chamberlain.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:00 pm to jimmy the leg
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If is bubbling below the surface.
Which central European countries have major conflict "bubbling below the surface"?
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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t's way too irrational for a guy like Putin to truly fear NATO.
People will parse this by making the point that he’s not rational, but this has been my thought since day one. There is no plausible Western threat to Russia other than geopolitical. Definitely no existential threat because NATO isn’t planning on rolling into Moscow now or ever. So why lose your legacy and weaken your country to this degree over what is a human constant- power differentials between great powers. It’s all lunacy and it’s on him. And people need to keep that basic fact in mind even as they make legitimate comments about us funding this and the shite nature of the world order etc.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You don't think street level Americans have been affected by the higher gas prices as a result of the Russian invasion?
Meh, Biden was going to make America suffer no matter what. As such, your point is moot.
Putin simply have Biden cover for the stupidity.
As for Ukraine / Russia, I want Ukraine to prevail for the Ukrainian people. That being said, frick their corrupt government.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:04 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Unfortunately, international politics is now viewed through a mid-wit WW II paradigm. Therefore, Putin is Hitler, and any concession makes you Chamberlain.
It's being seen this way because this has been pretty rare since right after WW2 and the early Cold War when the major lines were drawn. Even when the US invaded Iraq, we didn't seize Iraq as our own (although Leftist nutjobs did swear that was totally what GWB was going to do).
Most of the conflicts after that period were vestiges of colonialism in the face of the Cold War and were civil wars (some of which became proxy wars). Then there was conflict while unwinding the Soviet sphere of influence (which was technically a civil war, just with crazy slavs).
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:06 pm to Lsupimp
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So why lose your legacy and weaken your country to this degree over what is a human constant- power differentials between great powers. It’s all lunacy and it’s on him.
He wants to connect Crimea to Russia for strategic purposes. He got Crimea with an orchestrated campaign and little pushback from the West. He thought that Covid had weakened the West further and we'd accept his similar propaganda. He was wrong. Now he's stuck and he can't fall back.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Which central European countries have major conflict "bubbling below the surface"?
Many of them? In my experience, the people in the street HATE being bullied by the EU on social issues. To be fair, I haven’t been to every country there, but the list of my travels in the region represents a fairly large sample size.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:07 pm to jimmy the leg
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Meh, Biden was going to make America suffer no matter what. As such, your point is moot.
"Since my party isn't in power, all actions of the government are evil". Such a Leftist mindset.
Instead of OMB it's SMB
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He thought that Covid had weakened the West further and we'd accept his similar propaganda.
Link?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:08 pm to jimmy the leg
That's my assessment.
He clearly thought we would respond, at worst, how we did in 2014 when he used dubious methods to seize Crimea from Ukraine.
He clearly thought we would respond, at worst, how we did in 2014 when he used dubious methods to seize Crimea from Ukraine.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:09 pm to Lsupimp
Could’ve lost his marbles though, it’s possible. I seen over half this country turn into a horror show this past few years. Up is down, black peoples are white supremacists, and think of how many people truly believe Joe Biden legitimately achieved 81 million votes. shite’s gone to hell in a hand basket. It’s nutty out there.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
I honestly don’t give a damned as long as it doesn’t result in WWIII
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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"Since my party isn't in power, all actions of the government are evil".
I don’t differentiate between the parties for the most part. I view them effectively as being one and the same.
As such, once again, your point is moot.
On the other hand, telling people what they are supposed to think / believe IS
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a Leftist mindset
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That's my assessment.
Cool.
I personally have no sense of what he believes.
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He clearly thought we would respond, at worst, how we did in 2014 when he used dubious methods to seize Crimea from Ukraine.
Meh, these are two different scenarios.
Similar to a degree...yes, but different.
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 5:13 pm
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