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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:13 pm to jimmy the leg
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:13 pm to jimmy the leg
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Many of them? In my experience, the people in the street HATE being bullied by the EU on social issues.
Those aren't geopolitical conflicts. No longer are great powers trading parcels of land back and forth, fighting for access to waterways, or seeking to secure frontiers with key geographic landmarks. That has entirely dissipated. There are still some issues, but the major issues of the continent that drove politics for centuries have disappeared. You are more likely to have geopolitical issues at the periphery (see Greece and Turkey and the competition in the Eastern Med) than you are within Europe itself.
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Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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Those aren't geopolitical conflicts.
The culture war will be (is) geopolitical in nature. Hell, you could argue that on display in Ukraine.
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No longer are great powers trading parcels of land back and forth, fighting for access to waterways, or seeking to secure frontiers with key geographic landmarks.
So what are they fighting about in Ukraine?
Don’t kid yourself, religion, ethnicity, and cultural ties are entwined with the Geographic landscape. Stoked emotion is the fuel for the fire.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:21 pm to jimmy the leg
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Meh, these are two different scenarios.
Similar to a degree...yes, but different.
It's all one scenario in 2 parts. Just took 8 years to finish the plan
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:21 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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Never thought you would simp for a corrupt government, Ukraine and the United States.
It’s pretty obvious that pussy is still undefeated.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:23 pm to jimmy the leg
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The culture war will be (is) geopolitical in nature. Hell, you could argue that on display in Ukraine.
Oh lord. Just take the L
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So what are they fighting about in Ukraine?
Ukraine (and more importantly Russia) isn't part of the system he was talking about, because they're not apart of it (or in Central Europe).
That's why former soviet satellite nations want to integrate into Europe and not Russia, and why Russia doesn't have "Mexico or Canada" on its borders
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:24 pm to Godfather1
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It’s pretty obvious that pussy is still undefeated.
I don't think I've spent 5 whole minutes talking with my wife about Ukraine
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:25 pm to LSU0358
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Is it better for the US to fight Putin to the last Ukranian vs. letting him take Ukraine and then Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova, and parts of Poland?
False dichotomy
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:28 pm to Jack Carter
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False dichotomy
Well we know if Russia loses this, they're not going after Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova, and parts of Poland
If Russia wins, what assurances do we have that they won't try to engage in operations in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova, and parts of Poland?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:30 pm to jimmy the leg
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The culture war will be (is) geopolitical in nature.
What? This makes no sense. Are a bunch of trans people gathering in a breakaway region of Hungary, with support from Erdogan Pasha himself to lay siege to Viena?
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So what are they fighting about in Ukraine?
Ukraine is in Eastern Europe and is not part of the larger geopolitical bodies that represent mainstream Europe.
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Don’t kid yourself, religion, ethnicity, and cultural ties are entwined with the Geographic landscape. Stoked emotion is the fuel for the fire
You are just describing geopolitics back to me without understanding anything. Is Alsace and Lorraine an issue for Germany and France right now?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Ukraine (and more importantly Russia) isn't part of the system he was talking about, because they're not apart of it (or in Central Europe).
Western Ukraine wanted it to be. As for Central Europe, what is your description?
The Czech Republic?
Slovakia?
Austria?
Hungary?
Romania?
Bulgaria?
Poland?
If so, I have been to most of them.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:32 pm to OMLandshark
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No, because it’s the only one where people can name historical figures involved in it in detail.
I am fairly versed in a lot of military history. Don’t project your own ignorance on other people.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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Is Alsace and Lorraine an issue for Germany and France right now?
That would be Western Europe...
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You are just describing geopolitics back to me without understanding anything.
Irony much?
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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crazy4lsu
Let me ask you: what will be your thought if a nuke goes off? What if Kiev, Kharkiv, or say a battalion is nuked? Will it be self reflection?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:34 pm to OMLandshark
War is hell. And also just keep all that shite over there and I’m cool with it.
I kid of course.
I kid of course.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:34 pm to OMLandshark
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I’ve been comparing this more to World War I than II.
Except WWI was the product of a web of alliances and poorly understood military science at the time. In this case Russia has no significant allies willing to go to bat for them. This could not be more unlike WWI.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:35 pm to OMLandshark
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Let me ask you: what will be your thought if a nuke goes off? What if Kiev, Kharkiv, or say a battalion is nuked? Will it be self reflection?
We should probably just let the Russians invade whoever they want.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well we know if Russia loses this, they're not going after Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova, and parts of Poland
Probably not, but you may want to scope out
Transnistria and Kaliningrad. Is it improbable, yes. That being said, I would not dismiss it totally.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:36 pm to jimmy the leg
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If so, I have been to most of them
So have I. That's still not an argument.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:36 pm to GnashRebel
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Except WWI was the product of a web of alliances and poorly understood military science at the time.
Ummmmmmmmm, yeah, that’s exactly what is happening. We don’t understand the ramifications of nuclear war. Like we don’t know if mutually assured destruction is actually real, it’s simply a threat. But frick around and find out like they did in WWI, we might.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:37 pm to GnashRebel
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We should probably just let the Russians invade whoever they want.
Deflection much?
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