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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?
Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:37 pm to Powerman
Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:37 pm to Powerman
quote:No, only to swing election demographics, and thus, single-party control.
Are they taking control of all of our national resources?
quote:Back at cha.
Think you may have missed the point dude
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 4:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:"Impossible" - Zelensky Signs Decree Ruling Out Peace Talks With Putin ( LINK)quote:They want peace.
And why doesnt Ukraine leaders want peace
Posted on 10/5/22 at 5:03 pm to NC_Tigah
I think the key part there was "with Putin". Putin's already made his demands clear.
Why did you edit out the second sentence.
The key issue is the cost of that peace. Putin refuses to deal in good faith or reasonably. Ukraine clearly is not giving up the land it lost due to Russia's invasion. Hell, it may not even be willing to give up autonomy for its international organizational decision making anymore (which it was early on in the invasion). It may want Crimea too, considering how shitty Russia has been doing lately.
Why did you edit out the second sentence.
The key issue is the cost of that peace. Putin refuses to deal in good faith or reasonably. Ukraine clearly is not giving up the land it lost due to Russia's invasion. Hell, it may not even be willing to give up autonomy for its international organizational decision making anymore (which it was early on in the invasion). It may want Crimea too, considering how shitty Russia has been doing lately.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 10/5/22 at 5:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I think the key part there was "with Putin". Putin's already made his demands clear.
Because one country's leader doesn't get to decide who leads another country. In theory of course, because the US has been doing this for a century but it generally ends badly.
Calling for regime change does not de-escalate anything. It also looks ridiculous when you still have foreign troops invading and holding your territory for you to be telling them how things are going to go and who you will or will not talk to. Expel the foreign troops first, then you can tell the invaders how things are going to be.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 5:33 pm to Lightning
quote:
It also looks ridiculous when you still have foreign troops invading and holding your territory for you to be telling them how things are going to go and who you will or will not talk to.
Ukraine, as of this post, has swung the momentum majorly. If there was ever a time for them to dictate terms, it's now.
Also there is strategy in disrupting things domestically for Putin. Z knows Putin is on thin ice right now with his oligarchs. He's fricked up this Ukrainian invasion and Russian oil is trading for shite still. China is on his arse, too.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 5:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:You really need to stop and consider who you are responding to.
Why did you edit out the second sentence.
I posted the article's title -- WITH A LINK.
quote:and you really need to stop reading bullshite written by the Potatobrain Administration for republication in the US MSM.
Putin refuses to deal in good faith
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 10/5/22 at 5:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:NO!
Ukraine, as of this post, has swung the momentum majorly. If there was ever a time for them to dictate terms, it's now.
If there was ever a chance to reconsider past missed opportunities to submit to various Russian proposals, it's now.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 5:59 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
"Impossible" - Zelensky Signs Decree Ruling Out Peace Talks With Putin
Nice imagine rooting for Zelensky
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Ukraine, as of this post, has swung the momentum majorly. If there was ever a time for them to dictate terms, it's now.
Also there is strategy in disrupting things domestically for Putin. Z knows Putin is on thin ice right now with his oligarchs. He's fricked up this Ukrainian invasion and Russian oil is trading for shite still. China is on his arse, too.
You say this, yet, the entirety of the west and Europe seem unable to get the upper hand.
Could it be all your information is, like, wrong?
It is far more likely Russia hasn’t actually even begun to play yet.
A better measure are actions of the West and Europe and not “media”.
Actions show Russia is having far more success than anyone will admit.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:07 pm to JayDeerTay84
SFP just repeats what he hears on NPR on his way to Public Defenders Anonymous.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:51 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:
It is far more likely Russia hasn’t actually even begun to play yet.
I'm sure they are planning to try again after the winter
quote:
yet, the entirety of the west and Europe seem unable to get the upper hand
How do you define this?
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:52 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
You really need to stop and consider who you are responding to.
I posted the article's title -- WITH A LINK.
Second sentence of my post you quoted.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:52 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
opportunities to submit
Nice wording
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:53 pm to SDVTiger
quote:
imagine rooting for Zelensky
I'm rooting for Ukraine and it's people and against the aggressor nation
I don't really have an opinion on Zelensky
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
I do. He’s half queer.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:08 pm to the808bass
Now that I think about it I do have an opinion. If he's representing the interests of any Nation or organization that is not Ukraine, it's Israel not the us or the EU
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Mearscheimer, Kissinger, and me find you a foolish chump who disregards reality as though it were the same meaninglessness you have spewed here since February.
I'm rooting for Ukraine and it's people and against the aggressor nation
I don't really have an opinion on Zelensky
Grow up, video game boy
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:24 am to JJJimmyJimJames
LINK / there is an excellent 34 minute video here that tells you exactly how things are going in ukraine.
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