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re: California wants to change the definition of 'self-defense'

Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:09 pm to
Posted by TechBullDawg
Member since May 2014
2530 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:09 pm to
What if someone broke into the governor's mansion?
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
82420 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:10 pm to
When it comes to defending your life,
there are no laws, there are no rules, there are no ethics, there are no morals.

It's just you choosing life or death.


Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
17500 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:15 pm to
quote:

Why should I leave my own house instead of defending myself?


Cause some dude wearing a dress and a purse full of free drug needles told you so.
Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
3009 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:25 pm to
You’ll own nothing and be happy about it.

You really have to be a dumb arse to still live in cali
Posted by Big Jim Slade
Member since Oct 2016
6341 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:30 pm to
The French WW2 approach to self-defense.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38423 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:34 pm to
quote:

You literally quoted sheriff Brady Judd of Polk County Office 75 bullets into the victim and he said that's all we have
Sorry. I didn't know who to cite.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
38043 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:35 pm to
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killing in self defence is NOT justified if

Oh how rich. So if someone breaks into my home while I'm in it, I automatically assume (with sound logic) that they are there with bad intentions. So,
quote:

(1) you could have retreated

They could have retreated instead of breaking in. I'm hitting them, center mass, with slug after slug until I am satisfied that they no longer pose any threat. Period
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(2) you used more force than reasonably necessary

Again, I will use whatever force is necessary until I'm convinced that they no longer pose a threat, and
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(3) you provoked the person, and failed to exhaust every means of terminating the encounter.

They provoked me by breaking into my occupied domicile with what I am deeply compelled to believe is bad intent. My life is too valuable to have a conversation with the intruder to try and establish whether or not they intend harm before I aerate them. No. They came in, and they're leaving in a body bag. I'm not going to retreat in my own goddamn house unless I'm retreating to one of my many predetermined defensive positions.

There is no discussion here. California people need to GTFO that shithole. This will embolden home invaders.
Posted by Mobile Patriot
Mobile
Member since Aug 2024
1006 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:37 pm to
These Marxists know what they're doing. It's called raising the misery index. You make it so that regular middle class can't live there. Then you're left with mega rich elite overlords and their huge army of slaves/serfs who will be pressed into a life of mandatory servitude.
Posted by Borntoboogy
Member since Jan 2023
1209 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:37 pm to
Who the frick wants to live in California.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23398 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:37 pm to
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Marxists hate property owners.

It’s worse than that.

They don’t want you to be able to defend yourself without or from the state.

It’s about making you powerless.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19821 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:40 pm to
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will end up before supreme court, and will be be thrown out.

Maybe, but some innocent homeowner will have to have their life ruined and spend some time in prison before they'll have standing to challenge the law.
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
4142 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:40 pm to
If you continue to live in the communist state of CA after the past 5 years, you deserve everything you are about to get.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 6:44 pm
Posted by TheBeezer
Texas
Member since Apr 2013
2222 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:52 pm to
Same thing in NY. Look at what just happened to that guy who was put on trial for putting a guy in a headlock after he was threatening to hurt people on the subway.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
51891 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 7:25 pm to
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Not sure, but your wife and kids wouldnt be happy with you.
I'm certain the thief is reasonable.

"Hey, you broke in. Okay. I get it. You want our stuff. Fine. Can I have 2 minutes to get my wife and kids out before you ransack the place. The safe code is 18-34-6. You'll find that in the closet of the master bedroom. It's down at the end of that hall. We good?"
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28544 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 7:30 pm to
Is there any federal angle to challenge this? Self-defense seems like a basic civil right to me.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18634 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 7:40 pm to
Middle of the night.. someone breaks into your house. You've to get up, wake your family up, and usher them out in an attempt to retreat and allow the robber to casually stroll around and figure out what thhey want to steal from you?

If the robber has a gun, pointing it at you or your family, he hasn't shown his intent to kill anyone unless he fires the gun? So a homeowner can't use deadly force until the robber takes a free shot ?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35553 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:17 pm to
Who is the constituency asking for this?
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
21137 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:22 pm to
Obligation to retreat laws are anthem to US values. They were really popular in the 1980s and 1990s in liberal bastions.

Stand your ground and castle doctrine are the correct answer
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15060 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:26 pm to
At this rate, one of two things are inevitable. Every sane person will leave that State, or California will turn red.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23831 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:53 pm to
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killing in self defence is NOT justified if
(1) you could have retreated,
(2) you used more force than reasonably necessary,
(3) you provoked the person, and failed to exhaust every means of terminating the encounter


Upside down world stupidity.
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