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Are Rispone’s attacks on Abraham losing the Governor's race for LA GOP in the primary?
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:43 pm
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That is quite likely the eventuality we’re going to end up with. We didn’t believe it when those attacks aired last week (and continued with a furious regularity over the weekend, where the fratricide played out amid every commercial break in the college and pro football games on the tube, interspersed with Gumbo PAC’s “me too” attacks), but a new poll Eddie Rispone’s camp is touting makes it possible this thing really doesn’t make it to a runoff.
At least for now. Elections are dynamic things. We’ll get to that later.
Here’s the poll Rispone is touting…
JMC Analytics, which is headed up by our buddy John Couvillon, is the same polling firm responsible for the poll last week the Nexstar TV stations put out in advance of Thursday’s televised gubernatorial debate. One of two things are true about the fairly sizable swing in the numbers from the Nexstar poll, which had Edwards at 41, Abraham at 24 and Rispone at 16.
One possibility is Couvillon’s sampling and methodology are different depending on who’s paying him to do a given survey, which wouldn’t be great but could well be explainable if the check-writer had a strong opinion about who’s going to turn out (for example, we did a poll under the belief that Democrats won’t be more than 47 percent of the electorate this fall after seeing lots of other surveys in which they were 50 percent of the sample).
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But the other is that there’s a rapidly shifting electorate based on an attack ad Rispone his Ralph Abraham with and a debate Rispone appeared to have won, perhaps, but that not all that many people saw. In the space of a week Abraham dropped six points, Rispone jumped five and Edwards jumped five between two polls by the same pollster. That would be at least somewhat unusual.
We’ll remain agnostic about which interpretation is true, though what we will say is if it’s the latter it’s a reason why Rispone needs to take that ad with these attacks down immediately. The ad, as crappy as it is, will have accomplished its objective of knocking Abraham down to where Rispone could catch him, and the longer it’s on the air the more people will (1) become sick of it and (2) start questioning the claims made in it.
Because almost all of these attacks are bullshite.
The St. Jude thing is pure garbage, as we’ve explained. Abraham pledged to donate his congressional salary to charity and did, for his first term – some $300,000 worth. But Congressional rules barred him from making a profit on his medical clinic, which meant he wouldn’t have any money coming in if he continued giving his salary away, so he dropped that pledge. He still gave lots of money to charity, just not his whole salary. This was asked and answered when Gumbo PAC first vomited forth that attack, and for Rispone’s campaign to copy Gumbo PAC attacks isn’t a good look.
And it gets worse, because the ad also attacks Abraham for buying a half-million dollar plane with St. Jude’s money. Of course, it wasn’t St. Jude’s money, it was Abraham’s money, and the half-million dollar plane he bought replaced another plane he’d owned since 2013.
And what did Abraham do with that plane? Well, this…
So we’re attacking somebody for buying a plane with his own money that he uses to fly people to hospitals to get treatment. That’s the quality of our political discourse now.
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If he’s right, then what Rispone has done is to earn an extremely empty victory – he’s in second behind a runaway winner who gets a majority in the primary. Which is not something anyone will remember him fondly for. Just ask Scott Angelle, who Rispone will surely draw comparisons to. Or if Rispone does manage to get into a runoff, he’ll then be faced with the same problem David Vitter was faced with in 2015 – how do you get that 18 percent of the vote to line up behind you after you’ve unfairly trashed their candidate? Better get those knee pads out.
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I know Hayride gets some derision on this board but theres' some points here that merit discussion.
IMO, it's absolutely undeniable that Rispone's attack on Abraham is doing more harm than good and is helping Edwards. Especially when those attacks are complete bullshite and only reinforces JBE's narrative against Abraham.
If Rispone somehow makes a runoff, theres' a strong possibility enough North Louisiana voters will stay home or vote for Edwards after Rispone completely trashed their man.
Conservatives had just one goddamn job after 2015 and that's no conservative infighting amongst the candidates.
If Rispone wants to be remembered as a coon arse Ross Perot which is not a good thing at all, then we are all going to really suffer for it.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:47 pm to Sentrius
quote:Probably. We'll know for sure in a few weeks.
Are Rispone’s attacks on Abraham losing the Governor's race for LA GOP in the primary?
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:48 pm to Sentrius
He needs to separate himself. Abraham has some skeletons, use it.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:49 pm to CoachChappy
Seems like RISPONE is playing to win imo
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:50 pm to LSURussian
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Probably. We'll know for sure in a few weeks.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:52 pm to CoachChappy
quote:What are his skeletons? And don't say the accusation that he broke his promise about donating his salary. That's bogus.
Abraham has some skeletons,
He was told that House rules said he couldn't do that and continue to be paid from his medical practice.
And don't say he told Trump to withdraw from the Pres. race in 2016. He never did that. That's also bogus.
So, what are his skeletons?
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:52 pm to Sentrius
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entrius
do you think about anything in life besides this race?
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:53 pm to Sentrius
I questioned how much his attack ads would really matter...I didn't think there was anything he could do to overtake Abraham. But the ads, coupled with the debate, have proven me wrong. I still think its a long shot that he ends up performing better than Abraham, but like this article mentions, it may not matter in the end as it could end up helping JBE.
At least this race finally got interesting.
At least this race finally got interesting.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:55 pm to Sentrius
Sentrius posting a hayride link...shocker
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:56 pm to Damone
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Seems like RISPONE is playing to win imo
The problem is he is playing for Edwards to win.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:58 pm to CoachChappy
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He needs to separate himself. Abraham has some skeletons, use it.
Meanwhile Abraham chooses to not respond in kind to the Rispone attacks to focus on JBE and has a response to the poll that Rispone is touting....
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It’s September, which means we’ve entered election silly season.
This morning, John Couvillon released a survey of 550 registered voters that shows a dramatic shift in the race for Governor. The survey was conducted from September 19th to 21st of a population “registered to vote in the state of Louisiana.” Less than a month out from the election, you would expect research to at least have a likely voter screen.
Mr. Couvillon was commissioned to conduct a poll that ran just one day prior – from September 14th to September 17th – that was highlighted on the night of the first Gubernatorial Debate on September 19. This survey showed a completely different race with Ralph Abraham holding an 8-point lead over Eddie Rispone: 24-16.
Two polls, same pollster, one day apart, with two completely different results. The reality is the race didn’t change by 11 points on the ONE DAY between these two polls.
Let’s pretend for a second that there’s any validity in this fantasy-land survey – what we would see is that Eddie’s rise in the polls is also directly correlated to a rise by Governor Edwards.
That is – if Eddie really did jump from 16 to 21 – he also pushed the Governor to 46% (from 41%) and Mr. Couvillon lays out a scenario where the Governor could reach 50% in the primary.
From the first day of this race, every single Republican in Louisiana understood that in-party fighting would be the only thing that could propel John Bel Edwards to a victory. Mr. Rispone made the decision to ignore those warnings and launched a dishonest attack against Ralph Abraham. Ralph Abraham, on the other hand, made the decision to not attack in response but to remain focused on John Bel Edwards. Ralph Abraham is literally holding the Republican party together by his decision not to launch an attack on Eddie Rispone, instead responding with his new TV ad, “We’re Winning.”
Ralph Abraham remains the only candidate positioned to actually defeat John Bel Edwards in November. Our data and analytics continue to actually show us positioned to make the runoff and our plan for the next three weeks will only solidify our place in the runoff.
-Bill Skelly
Abraham campaign Senior Strategist & Data Analyst
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A note to all the Rispone shills....
The only thing conservatives like me care about is beating is John Bel Edwards, not which republican candidate makes a runoff as they're both legit conservatives that I can vote for but I cannot endorse someone who is pulling a Ross Perot.
This infighting only helps Edwards and you know this.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:59 pm to Sentrius
JBE attacked Abraham with the BS St. Jude stuff. Abraham couldn’t really respond, he’s short of funds. Was JBE killing Abraham with that attack before Rispone piled on? Maybe, maybe not.
Did Rispone’s commercials finally put him on the map? Did his debate performance do the trick? Or was it the attack ad? Who knows, maybe it was all three.
But one thing is certain, one of the two men needed to get folks fired up, or it was going to be a snoozer. Maybe Rispone did that, time will tell; however, Abraham never got going. He’s been handicapped by a lack of funds and now by two against one coupled with a lackluster debate.
Did Rispone’s commercials finally put him on the map? Did his debate performance do the trick? Or was it the attack ad? Who knows, maybe it was all three.
But one thing is certain, one of the two men needed to get folks fired up, or it was going to be a snoozer. Maybe Rispone did that, time will tell; however, Abraham never got going. He’s been handicapped by a lack of funds and now by two against one coupled with a lackluster debate.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:00 pm to BlackAdam
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The problem is he is playing for Edwards to win.
The only way this happens is if those who were voting for Abraham are turned off by the Rispone ads and just stay home.
I don't see that happening, but Louisiana voters aren't the brightest.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:01 pm to Sentrius
I don’t know what Rispone’s crappy rehash of a JBE Gumbo PAC hit add on Abraham will do in the whole state, but in my house it’s cost him all the votes of my family.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:03 pm to Sentrius
The attack ads need to stop for reasons mentioned, however...
To believe this article means one has to believe the following:
1) That some people are trying to decide between JBE and Abraham, and
2) These ads will push those people into JBE's corner... either from Abraham support or from Undecided support.
Nothing in Louisiana politics surprises me... but this is hard to believe.
I think it is more likely that one (or both) of these polls are flawed.
Your buddies at the Hayride are egging this on, though, and that's not helping, either. They need to STFU.
Edit: Now what could happen is if the runoff is JBE vs Rispone, all the Abraham N LA voters could get butthurt and stay home, and if that happens, JBE wins the runoff.
To believe this article means one has to believe the following:
1) That some people are trying to decide between JBE and Abraham, and
2) These ads will push those people into JBE's corner... either from Abraham support or from Undecided support.
Nothing in Louisiana politics surprises me... but this is hard to believe.
I think it is more likely that one (or both) of these polls are flawed.
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Conservatives had just one goddamn job after 2015 and that's no conservative infighting amongst the candidates
Your buddies at the Hayride are egging this on, though, and that's not helping, either. They need to STFU.
Edit: Now what could happen is if the runoff is JBE vs Rispone, all the Abraham N LA voters could get butthurt and stay home, and if that happens, JBE wins the runoff.
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:04 pm to The Godfather
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posting a hayride link...shocker
I know it's not what Rispone supporters want to hear but it's obvious that there is going to be a price to pay for those bullshite attacks and hayride is doing us all a service in making it clear that is a very strong possibility.
You cannot go negative and expect to pay no price for it. I just pray and hope that it's a price that is not going to cost us too much like Edwards winning again.
I was a Rispone supporter but he lost me when he decided to parrot and echo JBE's narrative against Abraham and now I'm undecided.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:06 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Your buddies at the Hayride are egging this on, though, and that's not helping, either. They need to STFU.
Thank you!
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Your buddies at the Hayride are egging this on, though, and that's not helping, either.
Wrong. They are just like me, conservatives than want to see JBE gone and thus they are completely opposed to Rispone's attack ads that may wind up helping JBE stay in office and want no part of it.
If it makes some people uncomfortable when it gets pointed out that Rispone's strategy may backfire, so be it. People need to be made uncomfortable about what's really happening and what's even more possible now.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:10 pm to Sentrius
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The only thing conservatives like me care about is beating is John Bel Edwards, not which republican candidate makes a runoff as they're both legit conservatives that I can vote for but I cannot endorse someone who is pulling a Ross Perot.
You're acting like your endorsement carries weight.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:13 pm to LSURussian
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So, what are his skeletons?
He used to doctor on animals. idk
He does have a Doctorate of Veterinarian Medicine in addition of being a people doctor.
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