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re: Are Rispone’s attacks on Abraham losing the Governor's race for LA GOP in the primary?
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:40 pm to The Boat
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:40 pm to The Boat
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I’m assuming that Rispone’s gains were at the expense of Abraham, so Rispone makes it into the runoff Instead of Abraham. I don’t think it affected Jbe’s votes either way.
I think this is spot on. Which makes the Hayride look stupid.
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I just do not see Edwards picking up a significant enough portion of whichever R makes it into the runoff to win it again. There aren’t enough people in Louisiana who are that offended about Somebody daring to say that Dr. Abraham may not be as altruistic as he claimed to get people to vote for him for Congress. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but politicians say anything. It’s ok to call him out on it. The “attack” ads simply are not that below the belt, nor were they as harmful to Abraham’s campaign as his shitty debate performance
The question has been and will always be, the GOP "loser" is going to have to endorse the winner and bring the votes to the winner. Will that happen?
I feel like the more Rispone attacks him, the less likely that will happen. If Rispone goes too far and the Doc voters stay home, it will result in JBE winning the runoff.
This isn't like the presidential race, where the nominee and the failed candidates have 6 months to kiss and make up. If this attack gets too far out of hand, the wounds may be too raw to bring reconciliation in time for the runoff race.
I think this is a growing concern.
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Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:41 pm to Sentrius
So his response is that the poll is wrong or polls don't matter. This coming from the guy that was touting the poll from the same person a few days prior as being the "only candidate that can beat JBE". Get the hell out of here with that. And the reason that he won't attack back is because he can't afford it and he has shills like the hayride to do it for him, however poorly they might be at it.
Think about what you are saying, he has nothing to attack Rispone on. The debate had questions about hiring sexual harassers for JBE and not doing the job he was elected for right before jumping in the governors race for Abraham. Both pretty good strong (maybe not THE HARDEST hitting they could have come up with) questions. Then they get to Rispone and the only thing they could bring up was he gives a butt load of his OWN MONEY to people running in federal campaigns...yeah Abraham couldn't even dig up some dirt if he even had the money to put it on TV.
How ironic coming from an Abraham shill?
Now this is false, the only thing you care about is Abraham, otherwise you wouldn't be attacking the other candidate.
What I care about is my state and getting the BEST candidate in office. Not the "he will do" candidate or the "as long as he isn't JBE" candidate. THE BEST.
Think about what you are saying, he has nothing to attack Rispone on. The debate had questions about hiring sexual harassers for JBE and not doing the job he was elected for right before jumping in the governors race for Abraham. Both pretty good strong (maybe not THE HARDEST hitting they could have come up with) questions. Then they get to Rispone and the only thing they could bring up was he gives a butt load of his OWN MONEY to people running in federal campaigns...yeah Abraham couldn't even dig up some dirt if he even had the money to put it on TV.
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A note to all the Rispone shills....
How ironic coming from an Abraham shill?
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The only thing conservatives like me care about is beating is John Bel Edwards, not which republican candidate makes a runoff as they're both legit conservatives that I can vote for but I cannot endorse someone who is pulling a Ross Perot.
Now this is false, the only thing you care about is Abraham, otherwise you wouldn't be attacking the other candidate.
What I care about is my state and getting the BEST candidate in office. Not the "he will do" candidate or the "as long as he isn't JBE" candidate. THE BEST.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:42 pm to The Boat
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Nailed it. You and me have been pretty in sync on this race since the debate.
Truth
This is the first time I’ve made a decision about a vote during a debate. I was so shocked by the whole tax neutral thing, I didn’t fully believe it, and almost had to rewind it to make sure I heard him right - until I realized you and I were both freaking out about it at the same time.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:43 pm to Sentrius
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Are Rispone’s attacks on Abraham losing the Governor's race for LA GOP in the primary?
Based on the numbers, yes. Prior to Rispone going negative, the GOP candidates were polling at 46% combined. In the week since Rispone went negative, the GOP is polling at 39% combined. That is a loss of 7% in one week.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:43 pm to Sentrius
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It's in response to Rispone touting the poll and they would be remiss in their political analysis if they did not point out that GOP has lost voters to JBE since Rispone attacks on Abraham started and what the possible root cause of that is.
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They're slamming the alarm bells.
They better freaking hope it's not a false alarm. As I said before, at this point, it's more believeable that something is wrong with one or both polls.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:43 pm to The Rodfather
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What I care about is my state and getting the BEST candidate in office. Not the "he will do" candidate or the "as long as he isn't JBE" candidate. THE BEST.
I wish I could upvote your entire post twice, and this part 3 times
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:47 pm to Sentrius
1. Rispone is trying to be like Trump. This is a total Trump tactic. How many GOP candidates did Trump attack and call names during the primary? All of them. These attack ads should him to the base he thinks he’s trying to appeal to.
2. Rispone isn’t running against JBE. He’s running against JBE and Abraham. If the election is today, he wouldn’t make a runoff. He needs to get ahead of Abraham and this is what he thinks will do it. He’s been a distant third and hasn’t gained ground so he has to do something. He’s not worried about the GOP, he’s worried about his campaign.
2. Rispone isn’t running against JBE. He’s running against JBE and Abraham. If the election is today, he wouldn’t make a runoff. He needs to get ahead of Abraham and this is what he thinks will do it. He’s been a distant third and hasn’t gained ground so he has to do something. He’s not worried about the GOP, he’s worried about his campaign.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:47 pm to WeeWee
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Prior to Rispone going negative, the GOP candidates were polling at 46% combined. In the week since Rispone went negative, the GOP is polling at 39% combined. That is a loss of 7% in one week.
Louisiana republicans just don't become democrats like that. It just doesn't happen. Even Wednesday commented that she would only vote for Abraham if he made the runoff. That's the dynamic. Republicans are choosing their champion in the runoff, not changing parties based on a political ad.
The whole discussion smacks of desperation and entitlement thinking by Abraham.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:48 pm to Alt26
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So Rispone is supposed to run, but no try to win because it could "hurt the GOP"?
Well that's a rather dumb way of putting it but I'll give you a general yeah.
If you're a conservative and genuinely believe that JBE is bad for Louisiana, your candidacy is nowhere near important as achieving the goal of removing JBE from office.
Rispone choosing to go all Ross Perot on us says a lot about how he feels about that goal.
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but if Abraham was as strong a candidate as the Hayride pretends he is, then the Rispone ad would have no effect whatsoever.
Well, there's a reason why Abraham is choosing not to respond in kind to the attack ad. He genuinely believes that he's going to make the runoff despite what this poll says.
That's a sign of strength. Remains to be seen if he's wrong about that.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:49 pm to Sentrius
Rispone = Angelle, Dardenne and another term for horrible Dem governor.
fricking Thanks, Rispone. Couldn’t sacrifice your ego for the good of the state.
fricking Thanks, Rispone. Couldn’t sacrifice your ego for the good of the state.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:49 pm to The Rodfather
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How ironic coming from an Abraham shill?
I'm undecided right now.
I already said that I was a Rispone supporter but I cannot support someone pulling a Ross Perot.
I didn't like Abraham's answer on the gas tax.
But my biggest priority is defeating JBE and anything that puts that at risk will not get my support.
It will be a coin toss flip for those two in the voting booth on election day for me.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:53 pm to The Rodfather
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What I care about is my state and getting the BEST candidate in office. Not the "he will do" candidate or the "as long as he isn't JBE" candidate. THE BEST.
Been saying all along, one of the Republicans need to strike a nerve, inspire all the Trump voters to vote FOR him and not to just vote against Edwards.
Good post, we need a difference maker not a placeholder to lead us out of this malaise.
Rispone didn’t look the part initially the other night, but once he got going he did fine. He got some people talking. Now he needs to ride the mo, have another good debate, and show confidence and leadership.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:53 pm to Sentrius
Rips told anyone who would listen he was going to keep his powder dry and move up quickly at the end. It’s like the Dave Whattle kick, or Joe Montana in the two minute offense .
I am not voting for him but the pearl clutching is funny.
I am not voting for him but the pearl clutching is funny.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:54 pm to Wednesday
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Dear Goodness calm down.
JBE isn’t polling at 51 percent.
No, he's polling at 52%. If the poll is accurate and the election was held tomorrow JBE wins without a runoff.
Go look at the poll. JBE gets 46% BUT when asked half of the 12% of undecideds lean toward JBE. 46% + 6%= 52%
Now there is still some time and two debates left. But if you aren't at least a little concerned, you have Rispone colored glasses on.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:55 pm to Sentrius
After a few more debates Abraham will be out of it. He’s horrible at delivering a message
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:57 pm to Sentrius
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Rispone somehow makes a runoff, theres' a strong possibility enough North Louisiana voters will stay home
Oh don't worry about Lil Ole us.. We're so insignificant you don't need our votes. You won't even miss us
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:57 pm to BigJim
Jim, it depends on turnout, and unless more on our side are fired up; we won’t get the folks out to the polls that we need.
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 9/23/19 at 5:01 pm to Sentrius
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I'm undecided right now.
FYI, it is too late for you to pull this "I'm undecided" crap. You have made yourself quite clear. You have done it with this post I'm responding to and with this post talking about your "coin flip"
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I’m so undecided between Rispone and Abraham that I’ll probably flip a coin in the voting booth and whoever gets 2 out of 3 wins.
Heads = Rispone
Tails = Abraham
But really, it’s a two faced coin as I’m pure ABE or rather anyone but Edwards.
So stop playing this game. I use to agree with a lot of what you had to say before you turned into a sky screamer and started acting like a politician. Say what you mean and mean what you say, but no one will respect your opinion with you keep acting like John Bel "I won't raise taxes" Edwards with your posts.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 5:12 pm to The Rodfather
Rod, I sincerely hope I'm wrong about what effect Rispone's attacks on Abraham is having right now and I would be overjoyed if I'm indeed wrong.
I would love to be wrong about it and I'll happily eat crow.
I hope it all works out with JBE's removal from office.
I would love to be wrong about it and I'll happily eat crow.
I hope it all works out with JBE's removal from office.
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 9/23/19 at 5:23 pm to Sentrius
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I would love to be wrong about it and I'll happily eat crow.
I hope it all works out.
I just have a hard time seeing where one "attack" ad would have an impact that drives "conservative voters" to JBE.
Everyone is so scared over 2015 and they are projecting in this race. Rispone is not a career politician, he will not sell out his party for a job. There is no job that LA's Governor can give him that he would benefit more from than the company he currently owns. He can't be bought and anyone being honest with themselves can see that.
He will support Abraham in a runoff, Abraham (who wants to continue getting elected) will support Rispone in a runoff. Trump will come down and heal any "wounds" from this one ad and motivate the conservative base to get out and vote.
However people like the hayride that only care about "anyone but JBE" need to tone it back a bit. The only thing that could torpedo (because there is always the chance that JBE wins because of turnout,...) this election for conservatives is pissing off Rispone enough to throw all of his money (more left on hand than Abraham has raised in all his elections combined?) against Abraham. I really don't see him doing that because he doesn't seem like a vindictive person in any of the speaking deals I've seen him in, but that is the risk they are running.
If Abraham loses this election, be it primary or runoff, he only has himself to blame (I guess he could also blame whoever convinced him to run...) after that debate performance. He needs to take a deep breath and start worrying about doing too much damage to his re-election campaign in the event he doesn't become Governor.
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 5:26 pm
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