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Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:57 am to Dubosed
quote:This explains a lot.
I quit riding after I hit a deer in 09. No helmet.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:58 am to Mike da Tigah
There must be a dozen kids in my neighborhood riding electric motorbikes all the freaking time. And there is one family, the kids ride dirt bikes all over the hood.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:59 am to Mike da Tigah
quote:most Americans live in the top 40 metro areas
Stop riding in the city, or stop riding oblivious to the cars. Take a motorcycle safety course and continue to practice. Gear up.
quote:smells like you’re assigning far too much value to something YOU are interested it
Smells like fear to me
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:00 am to bluedragon
quote:uuuuuhhhhhhh what???
Joke with my daughter all the time “You stole my truck. Who taught you to drive stick?” ‘I only stalled it twice. Did I hurt your toy?”
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:02 am to Mike da Tigah
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Today it’s a video game console or social media to scratch their itch, but it’s never actually ever scratched.
Absolutely. We took our kids to northern Arkansas for some kayaking on the Buffalo River in a spot with zero wifi.
After 2 days, they transformed into normal teens.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:04 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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smells like you’re assigning far too much value to something YOU are interested it
It’s not actually about riding or not. It’s about living life. Motorcycles just happen to be a perfect example of the fear driving all of our lives. It’s overflowing in this very thread, yet in many parts of the world, a motorcycle serves as their primary means of transportation. Weird.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:05 am to Ricardo
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This is the kind of logic that stops certain groups from swimming.
100% of the people that drown, went into the water.
100% of the shark attacks were from the same.
Therefore, just stay out of the water and you'll never drown, get stung by a jellyfish or munched on by any variety of water-borne creatures..
It's not my logic or opinion, it's statistical data. Apples : Oranges comparing debilitating effects getting stung by a jellyfish to getting hit on a motorcycle and getting killed or IMO worse....getting injured at 20yrs old and paralyzed.
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And just because you get a motorcycle, doesn't mean you throw all safety consciousness out the window. It's like just because I have a gun doesn't mean I am playing russian roulette.
Problem is you can do all the right things...helmet, leathers/gear, safety course but that means nothing when an F250 runs a redlight / someone not paying attention and you get hit....happens Every.Single.Day.
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Lots of things are potentially dangerous. It's knowing and assessing risk moment to moment that is how people don't all end up wounded or dead. I could go on for hours. There are numerous things that are very dangerous that we take for granted because we've become accustomed to them.
I've treated hundreds upon hundreds of motorcycle patients over my career. I'm not trying to tell anyone how to live their life, just providing firsthand knowledge / insight.
This post was edited on 8/7/26 at 9:06 am
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:13 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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That’s extremely faulty logic
It's the same rationale.
No one is saying you have to ride a motorcycle in the city. No one is saying you have to ride one at all. However, yes, all motorcycle accidents in the city involve people riding a motorcycle in the city.
If you follow that line of thinking far enough, merely leaving one's house is the leading cause of death outside.
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I've treated hundreds upon hundreds of motorcycle patients over my career. I'm not trying to tell anyone how to live their life, just providing firsthand knowledge / insight.
We all have our biases. Healthcare providers make terrible policymakers because they start to see only the detrimental effects of different activities. They will gloss over the millions of people that never have an issue with whatever activity they are focused on, because their own anecdotal experiences are conflated as data.
This post was edited on 8/7/26 at 9:20 am
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:19 am to Mike da Tigah
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Motorcycles just happen to be a perfect example of the fear driving all of our lives
I would argue your post history is a perfect example
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:21 am to Darth_Vader
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Most don’t even know what a clutch is, much less how to use one.
100% this.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:25 am to IAmNERD
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Idk where this is, but every kid starting at like age 8 or so is begging their parents for a 4 wheeler, dirt bike or SxS in my neck of the woods.
And a big part of the observation the OP made is probably cost. Hell, parents are paying more for a SxS for Braxtyyn and River to run around the neighborhood in than my first few vehicles cost combined.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:38 am to LegendInMyMind
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parents are paying more for a SxS for Braxtyyn and River to run around the neighborhood in than my first few vehicles cost combined.
truth. I was looking at the cost of UTVs/ ATVs and golf carts the other day and was in awe. Even a John Deer T-series Gator is expensive.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:39 am to Mike da Tigah
I see kids riding electric motorcycles nonstop.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:39 am to Ricardo
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It's the same rationale.
It would have been a closer comparison if you could say "4 out of 5 people who swim in the Gulf drown"
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:46 am to jchamil
The logic is not that swimming is just as dangerous as motorcycles. The logic is that avoiding the thing itself (motorcycle) is the only way to avoid dying on a motorcycle in the city. That's a silly jump to conclusions. There are a variety of ways to avoid death and dismemberment that fall short of simply not ever riding a bike. In the same way that there are a variety of ways short of simply not entering the water is the way to avoid drowning.
This post was edited on 8/7/26 at 9:47 am
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:48 am to Mike da Tigah
Dirt bikes are all over my neighborhood. Teens doing wheelies thru stop signs.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:51 am to Mike da Tigah
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It’s about living life.
Lmfao we are talking about riding motorcycles. Riding motorcycles. (Insert Iverson meme)
To each their own, but statistically, the risk of dying or suffering a serious injury is dramatically higher when riding a motorcycle than traveling in a vehicle. That’s just a fact.
This does not = “muh, you’re living your life in bubble wrap/not actually living.”
“What’s next no climbing trees, swimming, skiing, riding bikes, etc.” give me a fricking break.
Riding motorcycles is just something you can do where the risk/reward tradeoff is far above equilibrium for most
This post was edited on 8/7/26 at 9:56 am
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:51 am to Ricardo
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Lots of kids want one, but parents have been programmed that risk is too great.
Motorcycles are dangerous to ride on roads. That's just true and it's not just because the motorcycle drivers, it's the distracted horrible 4-wheel vehicle drivers on the road with them. As a parent, I tell my kids this, yes. That's my job.
Happy to let them ride dirt bikes off-road though.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:55 am to Mike da Tigah
I would say motorcycle riding is way more common now than when I used to run from police on my 80cc in the early 90s as an 11 year old.
Electric motorcycles are everywhere. Now gas cycles aren't as common. But they were slower and had motors you had to work on.
Electric motorcycles are everywhere. Now gas cycles aren't as common. But they were slower and had motors you had to work on.
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