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re: VIDEO: Florida woman kills man. . .over WalMart parking space. NSFW Could be SYG or murder

Posted on 7/2/26 at 5:56 pm to
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/2/26 at 5:56 pm to
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Self appointed prick constantly looking for a reason and also a child molester. Guy has waived his gun during road rage incidents as well. Zimmerman has the type of behavior that bothers me with the idea of self defense.
None of this informs the shooting of Trayvon Martin

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Tell me something, how about Trayvon feeling threatened and defending himself from a guy stalking him at night with a gun?
You mean running back to confront Zimmeman, when Trayvon was already at his house. . .and George was doing what the 911 dispatcher told him to do, walking back to his vehicle?

Confrontation initiated by Martin. Physical altercation initiated by Martin. Trayvon was the only person who made racist statements that night.

George did absolutely nothing illegal up to and including the confrontation. Inadvisable, sure. Trayvon approached, confronted, and assaulted Zimmerman.

While George was on his back, Trayvon reached for his gun and Zimmerman shot him. Angle of the shot is consistent with George's account.

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Trayvon defending himself
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
74005 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 5:58 pm to
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If your white wife was being followed by a larger black male, and she was retreating, pulled a gun and continued to retreat, but the black male continued to follow her until she fired on him would you still consider it cold blooded murder?

The standard has to be the standard across the board. We can't just keep moving the goal post to suit our biases.

If i get into with anyone and they attempt to physically remove themselves from the situation and I follow them and they pull a gun and I continue to follow them, then I wouldn't expect much sympathy if they open fire on me.


Getting a gun drawn on some people makes them irrational.

I think it's rational to just walk away, but if a white man pulls a gun a black woman and she's walking around really upset it's really okay to just shoot and kill her? She might be in disbelief someone would pull a gun on her over being upset.

I don't believe in an exact standard across any board. I believe every single interaction and situation is unique to that situation. I don't see walking around with that space in between regardless how much walking was happened warranted shooting at that point.

I think people are too quick to just end lives with guns.

Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:00 pm to
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I worded my post the way I did
I know why.

That is why I responded to the race baiting nonsense appropriately

Racist when Matthew McConaughey did it. Racist now.



Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
8756 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:00 pm to
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Go watch the longer video. I think the interaction is much longer than either video but in the longer one you can see him before the gun was pulled. Both should have de-escalated the encounter but that could be said for every single shooting ever.
what was he doing?

The video i watched looks like she gets out of the car with the gun. Was she out of the car & he harassed her, causing her to go back into the car and grab the gun?

If he was harassing her, why didn't she just get back in the car? Why did she have to retrieve the gun and get back out?

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Both should have de-escalated the encounter but that could be said for every single shooting ever.
couldn't agree more. He played a stupid game & won the ultimate stupid prize.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
33571 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:03 pm to
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It's such shite to me that someone can pursue another and if that other person responds to defend themselves then they can shoot them and people like you are cool with it.


Do you get your news from Reddit
Posted by SpartanSoul
Member since Aug 2016
3403 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:03 pm to
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Tell me something, how about Trayvon feeling threatened and defending himself from a guy stalking him at night with a gun


Travon was seen looking in a window in an area with break-ins. As a side fact he had encrypted pictures on his phone of stolen jewelry etc. on his bedspread that were suppressed. He was capable of just going home but purposely circled the block to ambush Zimmerman from behind a bush, where tools used in the burglaries were found. He was no "child" and was not in fear of his life.

Zimmerman is a POS but so was Travon and Travon started the violence.

As for this case, there will be more evidence to fill in the gaps and getting emotional and rushing judgement does no good. We need to know what caused all of this and her to pull her firearm and what everyone saw/heard leading up to this to cause them to record etc.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
36403 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:05 pm to
How is anyone in here arguing this is anything but self defense?


She retreats, he pursues. Is she supposed to wait for him to grab the gun before she can shoot?


This woman shot this man as a last resort. He had plenty of opportunities to walk away. Instead he chose to continue to intimidate a woman.

And some of you are trying to defend the aggressive man?


It's going to be difficult to defend against claims that the board is prejudiced based on replies in this thread.
Posted by BradBallard
Wilmington, Delaware
Member since Jun 2020
574 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:06 pm to
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She doesn't help her case with that bullshite. The self-defense issue should have nothing to do with how someone "has to properly approach a black woman." Our society as a whole is getting too easy with using firearms to solve bullshite disputes.


She lost self defense the moment she pulled a gun in what appears to be a verbal disagreement.

That is called assault with a deadly weapon which is a felony. Florida has mandatory 5-10-20 sentencing with gun crimes.

By pulling the gun, that’s an automatic 5.

By firing it, it is an automatic 10.

By hitting someone, it’s an automatic minimum 20
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:07 pm to
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She doesn't help her case with that bullshite. The self-defense issue should have nothing to do with how someone "has to properly approach a black woman."



Yeah, if she kept her mouth shut she's in good shape legally.

Now the prosecutor can say "You weren't scared. You were just mad about being disrespekt".
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
74005 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:10 pm to
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The question is, was she repeatedly trying to retreat and was he continuously advancing?


I continue to watch the longer video and it just doesn't seem necessary at all. He was talking who knows what, but seemed to be arguing his point.

I go to the 54 second mark of the longer video and he's barely just walking around the car. He had been walking all around the car.



Then she proceeds to lecture him while he's on the ground. Doesn't seem like she was even in fear of her life.

I just do not agree with the distance at which she shot him given he had been walking around for a while and at this point he was walking even slower, but I know this OT will trash me and tell me how wrong I am and how she can't know if he's gonna sprint at him, etc.

Her standing over him dying getting her last words in lecturing him make it seem like they both are just ridiculous.

I just want to know what happens if they both get out holding a gun and they both pull guns on each other at the same time, because they don't trust the other, then what.

And y'all say good shoot, because a guy is fricking pacing around during a parking dispute. frick this world.
Posted by BradBallard
Wilmington, Delaware
Member since Jun 2020
574 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:13 pm to
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She doesn't help her case with that bullshite. The self-defense issue should have nothing to do with how someone "has to properly approach a black woman." Our society as a whole is getting too easy with using firearms to solve bullshite disputes.



. Personally, I think she is fricked.

1. Pulling a gun in a verbal altercation is a felony with a minimum 5 year sentence in Florida. This automatically loses self defense claims

2. Self defense law is very specific in every state - to use deadly force, you have to be under an IMMENENT deadly force threat. In all of the video’s, that is not the case.


Here’s what Florida says about stand your ground:

1. Stand Your Ground (Public Spaces)
Under Fla. Stat. § 776.012, you are legally permitted to meet force with force if you are in a place where you have a lawful right to be (such as a public street, park, or business) and are not actively engaged in criminal activity. 
Non-Deadly Force: You can use or threaten non-deadly force if you reasonably believe it is necessary to defend yourself or someone else against another person's imminent use of unlawful force. 
Deadly Force: You have no duty to retreat and can use or threaten deadly force if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm, or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony (such as armed robbery, carjacking, sexual battery, or burglary).

I don’t see IMMENENT death or bodily harm.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77604 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:13 pm to
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And y'all say good shoot, because a guy is fricking pacing around during a parking dispute. frick this world.
If she was retreating and he continued to advance on her, I will 100% call that a good shoot every time.

If you have a better video, post it.
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 6:14 pm
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
8756 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:13 pm to
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She had a gun on him, but could he quick draw and kill her not knowing her intentions?
I'd call that self-defense.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
41509 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:14 pm to
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And y'all say good shoot, because a guy is fricking pacing around during a parking dispute. frick this world.


If you can’t help yourself from continuing to pursue a retreating person armed with a gun, you deserve to get shot. Sorry.
Posted by Macfly
BR & DS
Member since Jan 2016
10481 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:16 pm to
Not worth squabbling over a parking space.
Posted by RIPMachoMan
Member since Jun 2011
9201 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:16 pm to
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Then she proceeds to lecture him while he's on the ground. Doesn't seem like she was even in fear of her life.


Right, he was removed as a threat. She also placed the gun on top of the car
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:18 pm to
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And y'all say good shoot, because a guy is fricking pacing around during a parking dispute. frick this world
lady has a gun saying to leave her alone and the dude keeps coming towards her for another fifty steps. Dude is lucky he didn’t catch lead sooner

Fafo
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
32592 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:21 pm to
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And y'all say good shoot, because a guy is fricking pacing around during a parking dispute. frick this world.


I think that the Zimmerman, Rittenhouse, Michael Brown, Brianna Taylor, and Metcalf were correct rulings.

I disagree with the Chauvin and Arbery decisions.

I think the officer that shot Rene Good should be cleared.


I won’t be that upset if this woman is found innocent on the murder charge. Negligent use of a firearm and a lesser charge, sure.

It’s not charging her, he wasn’t rushing her, but he stepped towards her and that was stupid while she had a gun and he knew she did. It’s not a death sentence, but it’s FAFO.



ETA: I’m right wing AF. It’s a super unfortunate situation and it will become a race thing sadly, but the dude should have walked off and got another spot. Continuing to argue with an armed person is the equivalent of DISRISPEKT that this board clowns on.
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 6:25 pm
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
24027 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:23 pm to
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But she didn’t shoot him for a parking spot. She was parked. She shot him because he kept advancing on her despite her showing him the gun and repeatedly retreating.


I guess you’re just going to completely ignore the fact that I agreed that I’d do the same if I pulled my pistol and someone kept advancing on me. That doesn’t change the fact that it should have never gotten to that point over a parking spot
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30783 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:29 pm to
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Walking towards someone should not be self defense grounds, absent other factors like verbal threats or displays of dangerous weapons.


That is an interesting POV.

I can't speak for everyone, but the only reason I would advance on anyone I did not know who had a firearm trained on me would be to seize the initiative, closing the distance enough to set conditions for a shock action. During those movements, I would not give any indication of my ultimate intentions; quite the opposite, in fact. Obviously, in this situation I would not have advanced but rather got the hell outta Dodge.

I don't know how ole boy made it that long in life with his mentality; maybe he just got to the point where he didn't GAF if he lived or died.

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