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re: UPS Teamsters Unite
Posted on 6/7/18 at 11:54 am to pioneerbasketball
Posted on 6/7/18 at 11:54 am to pioneerbasketball
So when are you worthless mfers going on the picket line?
If I don't get my damn Costas I paid 2nd day air freight on I'm gonna be pissed
If I don't get my damn Costas I paid 2nd day air freight on I'm gonna be pissed
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 11:55 am to bamarep
I wanna know if my fricking check is gonna go through or not.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 11:55 am to bamarep
I can't see a strike right now. I wouldn't recommend a strike right now.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 11:55 am to Winston Cup
UPS can frick off, frickers always lie about delivery attempts to my office
Posted on 6/7/18 at 12:30 pm to Pecker
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We can talk first principles of economics if you'd like. In the absence of government regulation, there is no basis for unions to exist.
Labor unions are a result of free markets! They will exist regardless of the regulatory environment.
Companies are free to merge or be bought/sold on the free market. Consumers are free to work together to boycott or otherwise poke and prod the market to their will. This is how free markets work. Each individual is free to make decisions alone or collectively. The same goes for employees. Working collectively toward a common goal is more effective.
Surely you can see the value in a company buying out competition, so why wouldn't the employees supplying the labor do the same? Unions essentially "buy out" competing labor suppliers.
Now, if you want to talk about potential problems when unions get too big and powerful, we can do that. A union monopolizing a labor market can be just as bad as a huge corporation monopolizing any other market.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 1:18 pm to Bard
quote:Order-takers/cashiers, definitely. I honestly don't know why they haven't all been replaced by kiosks/apps already. But burger flippers and other people who handle the food? Not quite. I think the technology required to replace UPS drivers is further along than the tech required to replace all the people who handle the food at a fast food restaurant. Hell, just the part about loading/unloading the truckload of food at the restaurant is about equivalent to the entirety of a UPS driver's job. Then after that, the food has to be separated, cooked, assembled, packaged, etc. It's going to be really hard and expensive and take a long time to automate all of that.
Fast food workers can be replaced by automation once the pricepoint is right (and that's coming). UPS drivers cannot (at least not yet and probably never for larger, heavier items).
Sure, getting a package off a truck and to a doorstep automatically has challenges of its own, but the bottom line is it's easier to design a robot that reliably handles an assortment of boxes of different sizes but similar shape and place them near a door than it is to design a robot that cooks, assembles, and packages a hamburger.
shite, apparently McDonald's doesn't even have the technology to keep an ice cream machine working reliably.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 4:12 pm to Korkstand
I wouldn't want a robot putting 2 hazmat packages beside each other or on top of each other imo.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 4:19 pm to pioneerbasketball
UPS is an incompetent shite company. Strike away you half-educated fockers.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 4:21 pm to pioneerbasketball
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I wouldn't want a robot putting 2 hazmat packages beside each other or on top of each other imo.
It won't. If that's the most complex of your tasks you deserve about 8 bucks an hour. Literally all you have to do is know how to recognize a well known picture.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 9:50 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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It won't. If that's the most complex of your tasks you deserve about 8 bucks an hour. Literally all you have to do is know how to recognize a well known picture.
So a driver with a cdl and hazmat training is worth 8/hour? 75 cents more than the average federal minimum wage and also is less than 20+ states.
hazmat is more than looking at the pics on the side of the box.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:09 pm to pioneerbasketball
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hazmat is more than looking at the pics on the side of the box.
But not much more
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:14 pm to brass2mouth
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:30 pm to Korkstand
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Unions essentially "buy out" competing labor suppliers.
This sounds like some bullshite from a fat cat union boss meeting in Vegas for how to explain to the public that unions are not the pieces of crap they are in reality. Unions serve the union leaders at the expense of their members. Any benefit to members is incidental.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:56 pm to hottub
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I am sure all the anti-union people who think we live in a “free market” economy, have no issues with corporations spending millions on lobbying and trade associations.
Do you have a issue with the millions unions spend on lobbyist and donations to trade associations?
Posted on 6/7/18 at 11:02 pm to FCP
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Union member out here in the trenches. I can guarantee you that our company would pay us far, far less if we weren’t Union. Hell, they’d probably farm our work out to subcontractors if they could.
Being forced to pay more for work that could be done by others for less, sounds like a good way to destroy a business.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 1:43 am to EA6B
Being forced to work for less when you deserve more and the difference is being pocketed in bonuses to the higher up sounds like a good way to destroy people. I'm going to side with the people over a non living company.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:14 am to EarlyCuyler3
You’re going to side with labor over ownership. We know.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:06 pm to EA6B
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Do you have a issue with the millions unions spend on lobbyist and donations to trade associations?
Absolutely, money in politics is a different subject. My point is that we don’t have a free market economy or at least to level many think we do. Yes, some unions have bad apples but as a whole they are a needed instrument in the economy, even today.
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EA6B
Let me guess, you weren’t sitting in the front left seat?
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:06 pm to Disgeaux Bob
Name calling hurts any point(s) you make.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:18 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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the difference is being pocketed in bonuses to the higher up sounds like a good way to destroy people.
What if someone like me owns UPS stock? That cost savings of not having to pay as much in labor and such means better stock prices.
The biggest racket of a monopoly even bigger than the unions is the stupid river boat pilots. Overpaid and untouchable because of the politics involved. Fck them.
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