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re: UPS Teamsters Unite
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:39 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:39 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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And then wages increase because the company has to attract workers. This is happening in professional sectors all over this country. Wages at banks, for example, have risen a lot in the past year because a lot of what used to he bankers are now going to tech or other industries.
Very true. We got an across the board 17.5% bump in addition to our 3% COL due to having difficulty filling open positions at the current wage scales.
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:40 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Cross the picket line if they strike and work double shifts. A lot of people I know in upper management tell stories of crossing the line and the company taking care of them.
I used to work in loading and Can say the UPS Union is a waste of dues. I saw a ton of lazy worthless people keep their jobs because of that union.
I used to work in loading and Can say the UPS Union is a waste of dues. I saw a ton of lazy worthless people keep their jobs because of that union.
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:41 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Sounds like you are in favor of handouts and laziness of people that want more money but don't want to work for it.
Make fewer assumptions. I work my arse off.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:43 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
You're not tracking what I was talking about, unless you believe the president can privatize a private organization that's thus... already privatized...?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:44 pm to wadewilson
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Make fewer assumptions. I work my arse off.
Congrats. I'm not trying to be a dick, but just because you work hard doesn't really mean anything. I can work my arse off at a cotton gin all day, but nobody is going to pay me more than a manufacturing tech just because I work harder refining the cotton.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:48 pm to pioneerbasketball
Hope you get permanently replaced if you go on strike. Sorry mfers.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:52 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I'm pretty happy with my pay, respective to the value I put in, but there are definitely places where a union would help me.
I definitely understand your point, I just don't think it's that cut and dry in all cases.
I definitely understand your point, I just don't think it's that cut and dry in all cases.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:33 pm to jlntiger
No, manufacturing has been declining since people realized you could outsource it to Asia and pay people there even less than here. Has nothing to do with unions, it's all about driving down costs as much as possible.
Which is why without unions wages have stagnated like I mentioned earlier.
No, they shouldn't protect shitty employees. But the last 20 to 30 years have show us what business does to people without any representation.
Which is why without unions wages have stagnated like I mentioned earlier.
No, they shouldn't protect shitty employees. But the last 20 to 30 years have show us what business does to people without any representation.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:42 pm to pioneerbasketball
I will finally be able to rid my company of this horrible service if they strike....strike away!!!
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:57 pm to OptionRight
The irony about UPS and unions?
The non-union employees make a shite ton more money than the union workers.
Go figure. People can make more money without a union negotiator. Instead of striking, those employees can take their skills to a competitor. And somehow that works for them (voluntarily).
The non-union employees make a shite ton more money than the union workers.
Go figure. People can make more money without a union negotiator. Instead of striking, those employees can take their skills to a competitor. And somehow that works for them (voluntarily).
Posted on 6/6/18 at 10:08 pm to pioneerbasketball
U N I O N !!!!!
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Too few Americans know labor history and how they have benefited from the efforts of unions. We have a 40-hour work week, defined benefits, higher wages, paid vacations and sick leave, largely as the result of union activity in the 20th century. We built a middle-class society in the period after World War II, also a period when the work force was, compared with today, heavily unionized.
KEN BERNSTEIN, "No unions: Government by the rich, for the rich", CNN, Feb. 24, 2011
Posted on 6/6/18 at 10:10 pm to Pax Regis
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Hope you get permanently replaced if you go on strike. Sorry mfers.
U mad?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 10:13 pm to Pax Regis
Making 40-70k a year driving a truck and dropping off packages. I hate unions and entitled workers.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 10:14 pm to LeClerc
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Too few Americans know labor history and how they have benefited from the efforts of unions
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largely as the result of union activity in the 20th century.
We greatly benefited from all sorts of shite throughout history that's no longer needed and/or practical. Unions served their purpose in the late 180s to early 1900s, but they are now outdated bloated quazi government entities.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 10:30 pm to 777Tiger
ALPA is a different union than some of of these unions for uneducated and unskilled workers.
I support ALPA especially at the regional levels lately.
I support ALPA especially at the regional levels lately.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 12:12 am to jcaz
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ALPA is a different union than some of of these unions for uneducated and unskilled workers. I support ALPA especially at the regional levels lately.
ALPA is garbage for regional pilots, I used to be a member. We sat through merger and contract negotiations for my entire time at the airline and both union MECs sat there twiddling their thumbs eating bacon wrapped shrimp with the NMB arguing about scheduling software while the pilots on the line qualified for food stamps. Regional ALPA members have whipsawed one pilot group against the other since 9/11 constantly lowering the bar and undercutting one another to gain regional feed from the carriers. A normal union strengthens each member group, ALPA effectively worsened conditions at every separate/individual regional carrier for 10+ years.
The entry-level pilot pay and conditions became so crappy that no one was signing up for it anymore. ALPA effectively created their own pilot-shortage and only recently within the past 2 years have wages come up, only because necessity dictated it.
They are good at lobbying at least, I’ll give them that much.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 12:20 am to FredsGotSlacks
I blame the shortage on airlines, ALPA, and the Feds.
Feds made a ridiculous 1500 hour ATP FO
Airlines refuse to increase pay to lure more pilots into the industry
ALPA only seems to want to represent 20,000 hour pilots and bash anyone with under 1,000 hours as vastly unprepared
Feds made a ridiculous 1500 hour ATP FO
Airlines refuse to increase pay to lure more pilots into the industry
ALPA only seems to want to represent 20,000 hour pilots and bash anyone with under 1,000 hours as vastly unprepared
Posted on 6/7/18 at 12:24 am to jcaz
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Making 40-70k a year driving a truck and dropping off packages. I hate unions and entitled workers.
What is appropriate pay for them?
If they can find people that will work 60 hour work weeks in the heat, with traffic, and dealing with the things they have to deal with on a daily basis for under $40k, they should find them.
Just because it seems like a straightforward, easy job, doesn't mean it is.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 12:30 am to Disgeaux Bob
I worked for UPS from 1999-2002 as a Part-Time unloader and then later in 2005-2006 in Colorado before completing school and starting a farm back home here in LA.
I actually attempted to not join the Union as a young 18 year old in Monroe, LA back in 1999 and was told straight up that my own livelihood would depend on it. Scary shite. Some real scary shite went down during that strike in 97 I was told by workers there too. Horror type stories of baseball bats and arse kicked if someone tried to work.
I actually attempted to not join the Union as a young 18 year old in Monroe, LA back in 1999 and was told straight up that my own livelihood would depend on it. Scary shite. Some real scary shite went down during that strike in 97 I was told by workers there too. Horror type stories of baseball bats and arse kicked if someone tried to work.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 12:38 am to wadewilson
I can only laugh at the know-nothings who think that shitty employees are protected by the union when it comes to construction/skilled trades. They lay them off with the quickness, and put in another call to the hall if they need to replace that body.
When you're making $65.52 an hour (plus doubletime all day Saturday and Sunday, doubletime after 10 hours cumulative over 40, no matter the day), if you don't produce, you're G O N E!
There will be even more pressure when we go to $70.77 next year, and $75.77 the year after (we just got $15 over three on the check, not including increases to the pension/annuity and health & welfare)
But as long as you're producing and not standing around bullshitting, they're backing the Brinks truck up, opening the doors, and handing you a shovel. If you are, you'll be seeing the inside of the hall more than a jobsite, because you just won't last. Eventually, when you're getting spun every time you take a call, you'll have to find another line of work or go non-union.
Nothing better than a $1300 double bubble Saturday.
When you're making $65.52 an hour (plus doubletime all day Saturday and Sunday, doubletime after 10 hours cumulative over 40, no matter the day), if you don't produce, you're G O N E!
There will be even more pressure when we go to $70.77 next year, and $75.77 the year after (we just got $15 over three on the check, not including increases to the pension/annuity and health & welfare)
But as long as you're producing and not standing around bullshitting, they're backing the Brinks truck up, opening the doors, and handing you a shovel. If you are, you'll be seeing the inside of the hall more than a jobsite, because you just won't last. Eventually, when you're getting spun every time you take a call, you'll have to find another line of work or go non-union.
Nothing better than a $1300 double bubble Saturday.
This post was edited on 6/7/18 at 10:32 am
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