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re: UPS Teamsters Unite
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:34 pm to Yewkindewit
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:34 pm to Yewkindewit
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Unions promote lazy unmotivated employees looking to maintain cushy overpaid jobs. They are anti management and disrupt the flow of business and whine about every imagined hardship that non union workers take for granted. Instead of sucking up their gut and getting the job done, they whine and cry like girly men. That's union life. Unions suck.
As a former UPS employee I can say that this man is speaking truth. I took the job as something to do to make a little extra cash and insurance but after a year I said screw this. Lots of lazy people who no show as much as they can and loaf around when they do show up. UPS can’t do anything about it because Union.
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Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:43 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I'd say the same of you. And I haven't seen you offer anything of substance here, but that's to be expected though from what I've seen.
Shitty management and poor decisions is what affects that. Not meeting goals. Trying something dumb as hell and people stop spending money on it. But yeah, it's labor that does all thay. And I'm the idiot.
ETA when you see labor affect the price is when huge layoffs are happening because the company didn't keep up or fricked up and now that's the only thing management can do to keep the price up. But I'm sure you'll explain it better soon.
Shitty management and poor decisions is what affects that. Not meeting goals. Trying something dumb as hell and people stop spending money on it. But yeah, it's labor that does all thay. And I'm the idiot.
ETA when you see labor affect the price is when huge layoffs are happening because the company didn't keep up or fricked up and now that's the only thing management can do to keep the price up. But I'm sure you'll explain it better soon.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:47 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Shitty management and poor decisions is what affects that. Not meeting goals. Trying something dumb as hell and people stop spending money on it. But yeah, it's labor that does all thay. And I'm the idiot
Please tell me your knowledge on the history labor union and how having labor prices that you essentially have no control over doesn't affect share price. The modern labor union is nothing but a quazi government organization in the pocket of the Democratic Party. It exists to get the leaders rich and pander to uneducated workers. A lot of times the actual blue collar worker gets jobbed on these deals, but they don't know any better and the Union boss is laughing all the way to the bank.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:52 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
You negotiate with labor. And sure there are problems with it sometimes. Just like there are problems with higher ups in companies.
But now I see why you're so angry. Youre naive enough to think political parties matter.
But now I see why you're so angry. Youre naive enough to think political parties matter.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:56 pm to beebefootballfan
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As a former UPS employee I can say that this man is speaking truth.
What hub/center did you work out of?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:56 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Just like there are problems with higher ups in companies.
That you can fire if you fell their performance is unnecessary.
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But now I see why you're so angry. Youre naive enough to think political parties matter
Its not naiveity, one party uses it to push its agenda and pander to a certain subset of the population. I'd say the same thing if it was the Republican party doing it. These Unions don't act in the best interest of its members, they do what will buy the members votes in the next election. Just pay attention next time there's a big election, you'll start hearing all about the importance of Unions and then won't hear a peep about it until the next election.
Whats naive is to think these beauricrsts are acting in the best interest of Jimmy Lipper who drives for UPS in Livingston Parish.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:12 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I see you ignored my counterpoint to where you called me an idiot.
You can fire higher ups and then they can glide on out on their golden parachutes.
I'm sure the big unions do have lots of problems. They still give some measure of power to the common guy. The politics part is just a joke. Yeah, unions are always DNC, just like a lot corporations donate heavily to the RNC. It's corruption all the way down. It's a pipe dream to think that if they could just get rid of the dang union all of a sudden everyone would be so much better off in their job. Would never happen. In fact, wages would be driven down and everyone would be worse off not far into the future. It would sure look good on a financial report though.
You can fire higher ups and then they can glide on out on their golden parachutes.
I'm sure the big unions do have lots of problems. They still give some measure of power to the common guy. The politics part is just a joke. Yeah, unions are always DNC, just like a lot corporations donate heavily to the RNC. It's corruption all the way down. It's a pipe dream to think that if they could just get rid of the dang union all of a sudden everyone would be so much better off in their job. Would never happen. In fact, wages would be driven down and everyone would be worse off not far into the future. It would sure look good on a financial report though.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:14 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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They still give some measure of power to the common guy.
The internet and automobile give the common guy infinitely more power than a union does.
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In fact, wages would be driven down and everyone would be worse off not far into the future
No they wouldnt.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:21 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
If you really believe that then there's nothing more I can say. You live in corporate Fox News fantasy land.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:24 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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If you really believe that then there's nothing more I can say
Explain why they would.use substantive economic theory, not "the corporate man wants to frick the blue collar guy"
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You live in corporate Fox News fantasy land.
I don't watch Fox News.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:32 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
You just sat there and told me I was a fricking idiot for not thinking that labor was a huge influence on the stock price. Now you expect me to sit here and believe that since labor is such a huge influence, actions wouldn't be taken to lower that cost if possible? Which is it then?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:36 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Now you expect me to sit here and believe that since labor is such a huge influence, actions wouldn't be taken to lower that cost if possible? Which is it then?
Wages and total price of labor aren't the same thing. Additionally, wages can go up by increased economic conditions. Labor is an incremental cost of making a product. If I can sell more product obviously I'm going to hire more labor because I make money on every widget I sell.
Can you explain your position or not? Why would the dissolution of unions drive wages down?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:43 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Additionally, wages can go up by increased economic conditions.
If that's true then why have wages stagnated for so long as unions have declined in power?
Wages would go down due to older more expensive workers being let go and cheaper replacements hired. Workers would face longer hours at 1.5x pay instead of what the union has gotten them in the past, as evidenced by another poster in this thread. Cycle that for a bit and all of a sudden your workforce got a LOT cheaper and now they have no power to even begin to ask for more.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:47 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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If that's true then why have wages stagnated for so long as unions have declined in power?
Lots of reasons. Emphasis of a manufacturing to service economy, sub prime mortgages, credit practices, worldwide economic conditions in an increased time of globalization, and government intervention and policy to name a few.
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Wages would go down due to older more expensive workers being let go and cheaper replacements hired. Workers would face longer hours at 1.5x pay instead of what the union has gotten them in the past, as evidenced by another poster in this thread. Cycle that for a bit and all of a sudden your workforce got a LOT cheaper and now they have no power to even begin to ask for more.
So you support your position from the anecdotal evidence of a poster on an anonymous message board. Got it.
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Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:54 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
And one of those in particular directly relates to driving down wages. Do you know which one it is?
I didn't base anything on a poster. I was pointing out evidence in this thread from 1st hand experience saying you're wrong. Which is more than any evidence you've provided.
I was right earlier. You're not living in reality.
I didn't base anything on a poster. I was pointing out evidence in this thread from 1st hand experience saying you're wrong. Which is more than any evidence you've provided.
I was right earlier. You're not living in reality.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:01 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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And one of those in particular directly relates to driving down wages. Do you know which one it is?
I'm assuming you are referring to service economy. Wages are rising in many of the service sectors. Banking is one big one in particular. Also, many unskilled service jobs are paying higher wages than before. Manufacturing wages are what's holding wages stagnant. If you're for people keeping outdated and inefficient jobs just because that's what they've always done, then ok, I guess youre just a essentially a socialist.
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I didn't base anything on a poster. I was pointing out evidence in this thread from 1st hand experience saying you're wrong. Which is more than any evidence you've provided
I provided plenty of evidence. Labor has a demand curve just like any product or service does. Again, unions are just a quazi government organization that put artificial conditions on the market.
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I was right earlier.
You haven't said anything except unions are good. You haven't presented anything that could be right or wrong.
Just answer this, what are your qualifications to have an educated opinion? What is your profession, what have you studied that has helped you formulate your opinion? Hell, what's your personal experience that helped you learn (other than an anonymous message board post you referenced earlier)
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:04 pm to pioneerbasketball
Not reading all this. How did they do?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:05 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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But now I see why you're so angry. Youre naive enough to think political parties matter.
If they don't matter, why are Unions in bed with the Democrats?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:08 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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You live in corporate Fox News fantasy land.
And there it is...Liberalism rears its ugly head!
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:21 pm to stampman
Did they strike?
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