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Trial lawyers are lobbying against self driving vehicles because they’re too safe

Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:26 pm
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:26 pm

Because of course they are

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Roughly 37,000–40,000 Americans die in auto accidents every year. We now have large-scale, real-world evidence—from Waymo and a joint analysis with Swiss Re—that driverless operations can be substantially safer than matched human driving within their current operating domains. The latest data show that over 220 million miles driven, Waymo vehicles–in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Phoenix, Austin and Atlanta–have 94% fewer serious injuries, 82% fewer air bag deployments, and 93% fewer pedestrian injuries. The evidence is not fully independent, but it is unusually transparent, large-scale evidence.

So with thousands of lives annually in the balance who is against autonomous vehicles (AVs)? Trial lawyers. Remarkably the trial lawyers saw the writing on the wall very early and the have been lobbying against AVs for nearly a decade! The American Association for Justice, the trial lawyers’ lobby, has been a prominent opponent to AV legislation (see also reports here). (They have been joined by Democrats worried about labor and demanding that heavy trucks be excluded).

The trial lawyers earn a huge amount litigating ordinary auto accidents–Annual U.S. auto insurance payouts (liability + PIP/MedPay) are on the order of $180–220B and trial lawyers are very eager to retain the right to sue car manufacturers for product liability. In my view, product liability isn’t useful as a safety device in this field. Instead, the solution is simple. Every car should be required to be insured, regardless of driver. Indeed, Waymo vehicles are already insured at $5 million liability coverage per vehicle, far higher levels than most human drivers are covered.

The UK’s Automated and Electric Vehicles Act 2018 does basically this–a single insurer covers the vehicle whether the human or the automated system is driving; the victim is compensated directly by the insurer, no need to establish product defect; the insurer then subrogates against the manufacturer if the software was at fault. Victims get paid fast, manufacturers face the cost of their defects through recoveries and premiums, and the high-transaction costs (i.e. lawyer fees!) and messy manufacturer-versus-victim litigation is replaced by insurer-versus-manufacturer bargaining between repeat players who settle efficiently.

The great thing about this system is that insurance almost certainly deters better than tort: fleets generate data that makes experience rating precise, so insurers become continuous safety regulators, whereas litigation delivers a noisy, lagged, lottery like signal depending on safety-irrelevant factors of the jury and the locale.

We have the best data on Waymo, Tesla data is murkier but note how well this works with the insurance system. Let the insurers decide how much to charge Tesla robotaxis and FSD drivers–they will internalize the externality far better than tort lawyers. In short, insurance works great for accident victims but not for trial lawyers. Indeed, if the trial lawyers have their way accident victims will continue to be buried in an invisible graveyard.
Posted by UKWildcats
Lexington, KY
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:29 pm to
This actually has me considering trusting getting in one. I'm not even kidding. Someone on the internet may have actually succeeded in changing someone's mind. I'm not sure what it says that I put more trust in trial lawyers going to these lengths than the numerous safety studies that have been published about these autonomous vehicles, but it definitely says something.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:30 pm to
Drivecams should also be required on all cars

They cost like $100

But trial lawyer lobby would fight that because it would make everything too cut and dry
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:30 pm to
Nice try, robot overlords. I trust the guy on the side of the bus


Those guys do some wild shite to drum up biz
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:30 pm to
I will boycott Tesla until Musk tells them to code the FSD to get those pieces of shite to get out of the passing lane.

Remember, the human intervention is dudes in the Phillipines.

Waymos have gotten jammed up in seemingly every city they've been deployed in
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Another resident added, "I think yesterday morning, we had 50 cars that came through between 6 and 7."

Residents say they first saw Waymos about two months ago, but in the past few weeks, groups of the autonomous, driverless cars and large numbers of them, have been found circling in and out of the residential neighborhood, WSB-TV reports.
This post was edited on 7/19/26 at 3:32 pm
Posted by HarryHoudini
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:35 pm to
Seems like self-driving cars would be a lawyers wet dream, no?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:36 pm to
I've been talking about this for quite some time. Personal injury is going to undergo a major shift in the next 20 years UNLESS they can get government to maintain the status quo
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:37 pm to
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Seems like self-driving cars would be a lawyers wet dream, no?


Why? They're safter and will get more safe as more cares become self-driving. Fewer wrecks = bad for PI lawyers
Posted by HarryHoudini
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:39 pm to
How are they safer? And how can you say that when most people don’t own self driving cars?

Hasn’t there been videos in SF of those ways cars or whatever they’re called going haywire? Didn’t uber have a driverless car kill someone a few years ago also? Seems like the they're still working out the bugs with this technology.
This post was edited on 7/19/26 at 3:57 pm
Posted by shutterspeed
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:44 pm to
LSU better tap that Waymo NIL when the PI well runs dry.
Posted by Tall Tiger
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4305 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:46 pm to
They're safe and the technology will only get better.

Also, it will get to the point where it will be far more expensive to insure a manually driving car than a self driving one. That will have a huge impact on the car market and people's buying decisions.

Frivolous auto accident litigation is a scourge in Louisiana. I can't wait to watch it chipped away by technology.
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:57 pm to
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The latest data show that over 220 million miles driven, Waymo vehicles–in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Phoenix, Austin and Atlanta–have 94% fewer serious injuries, 82% fewer air bag deployments, and 93% fewer pedestrian injuries. The evidence is not fully independent, but it is unusually transparent, large-scale evidence.


Not fully independent warning. But those numbers suggest future PI Attorneys have the wrong degree.
Posted by MKP2004
Member since Mar 2026
775 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:59 pm to
They see their gravy train drying up.
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 4:01 pm to
I forsee Landry on a private plane to a hunting trip in a private preserve in Texas.

Unfortunately we probably won't hear about it the next time;

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Since becoming governor in 2024, Landry has pushed through legislation tightening his grip on the state ethics board, removing measures intended to insulate it from political pressures. Landry now has the power to appoint nine of the 15 members.

Earlier this year, the Louisiana Legislature passed sweeping changes to the state ethics board, written by Landry’s personal attorney, raising the bar for future investigations and providing more opportunities for officials to challenge allegations of misconduct. The changes did not affect Landry’s settlement.
This post was edited on 7/19/26 at 7:08 pm
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 4:02 pm to
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Seems like self-driving cars would be a lawyers wet dream, no?


Liability payouts? Yes. But there needs to be accidents to be able to sue, and if accidents are reduced 90%….
Posted by Giantkiller
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 4:02 pm to
I have a Tesla. I trust it more than I trust my own driving. Just get in and go and don't even think twice about it. When I'm in my other vehicle, I feel the extra duty. It's very real.

BTW I know of two attorneys who were recently laid off. They weren't PI but I think that industry is feeling the AI pinch. Couldn't happen to a nicer subgroup of shitbags.
Posted by Gifman
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 4:03 pm to
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I've been talking about this for quite some time


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SlowFlowPro


Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16687 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 4:06 pm to
I’ve seen these things driving around a couple of cities. They’re always going very slow. They look very safe to me

Humans make mistakes
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 5:07 pm to
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When I'm in my other vehicle, I feel the extra duty

That's called having agency over your own life. You don't notice you're sitting in the passing lane holding up 18 cars, because you're scrolling the gram while your car drives for you. If you don't trust your own driving, drive better, loser.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 7/19/26 at 5:10 pm to
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They’re always going very slow. They look very safe to me

Humans make mistakes

You think like an Indian woman driving on I-10, if they're going slower, they're not going to get hurt. Oh, but the people behind you slamming on their brakes and causing accidents because you're merging onto the interstate at 30mph are for sure fricking getting hurt.

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