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re: Teen Tased By Trooper On Girlfriend's Porch
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:37 pm to i am dan
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:37 pm to i am dan
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Honestly, I imagine the cop thought he would find something on the kid like drugs or something. The cop sees the kid run away from him, and the cop thought he would end up busting the kid for weed or a gun.
And then it got out of hand.
So you are saying the cop intended to illegally search the teen? Why would a cop worry about a teen having weed?
Honestly, if I were a cop and suspected a teenager/young person saw me and took off running (with no threat of me, as a cop, stopping), I would think of them being more mischievous than being a criminal.
I might circle back around and keep an eye out just to make sure no one is in harms way or anything like that, but teenagers are dumb as shite.
Its easier to monday morning quarterback, but was there not a way to ask the kid what he was doing then see who was home? It looks like it is likely the kid was going over to the girl's house, maybe her parents were not home and he wasn't supposed to be there are something.. So maybe he was nervous... Its the Summer. I don't know about these days, but when I was a teenager, that was pretty common.
The cop seems to be overeager but that's just based off of what the video shows and we all know there is always more to it than what you see in a video.
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Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:44 pm to MMauler
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He's wearing all black -- the standard "uniform" of (sometimes armed) home invaders.
Just wondering, so do you think it's acceptable for cops to arrest any person they see walking down the street just for their attire?
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cop confronts him IN SOMEONE ELSE'S BACKYARD.
Did the cop know this already? How's the cop supposed to know that the kid didn't live there.
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The cop has no f*cking clue who he's texting. Is he texting an armed accomplice in the home.
Or maybe he's texting the sniper on the roof to go ahead and take the shot.
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ringing the girl's front doorbell (like a normal person does),
The kid was trying to sneak in and bang his teenage girlfriend. Have you never had to sneak in before? With ring doorbells now. The kid probably was told to specifically come to the back. Not to mention I know multiple people who don't use their front door. And they'll tell guests to come around to the side or back door.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:46 pm to QJenk
why didn't they interview the owners of the home/parents of the girl. Maybe he wasn't a welcome guest at their home.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:47 pm to OweO
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:56 pm to kengel2
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why didnt the girls parents help the dude out? If they would have provided the tape, maybe he wouldn't be in jail for 21 days.
My guess is they found out a little shite has been sneaking in theyre away from the house to rail their daughter. So this is their way of getting back at the kid.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:59 pm to cable
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why didn't they interview the owners of the home/parents of the girl. Maybe he wasn't a welcome guest at their home.
He probably was and wasn't. He may have did what thousands of teenagers before him, including myself, have done. Sneak in without the parents knowing in order to bang the teen daughter.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:03 pm to QJenk
from the looks of it, the young man is in a household without a father and living in a bad part of town. The parents of the girl are probably doing her a favor by keeping that young man away from her, just based on experience with young men that grow up in that kind of environment.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:04 pm to Dr RC
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We have zero evidence that the kid ran from the cop. All we have is the cop's claim and since his report has multiple verifiable errors and omissions I don't see how you can possibly take the cop at his word.
The problem is that we can't take the media or the perp and his direct family members at their word either. All parties have a vested interest here and an agenda, and there's certain factors that give me pause on both sides.
I'm just curious how and why the department and DA decided to add the loitering charge after the fact, and why they held him without bail and kept all his charges intact. Those are pretty serious, especially being held without bail (you can bail out on murder and manslaughter charges FFS).
It sure doesn't sound like a State Trooper unit and DA trying to make a frickup go away, it sounds more like they're using this opportunity to put someone away that deserves it. But based on what WE know, it doesn't seem as if he deserves it.
It would help if we had an unbiased media in this country
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:05 pm to cable
IF the kid saw the cop then darted into the bushes and around the back of the house, that’s reasonable suspicion to detain him/pat him down for a reasonable period of time to figure out what was going on.
He didn’t comply when the officer had that reasonable suspicion and paid the price
He didn’t comply when the officer had that reasonable suspicion and paid the price
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:12 pm to i am dan
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Why has the kid been in jail for 21 days?
That's weird. Why is he being held? Why would he need to go to court? I figured when the gf or parents got involved, they would explain everything and the kid would be free to go. What happened?
It's obvious.
The judge believed the cop's false report.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:14 pm to Proximo
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IF the kid saw the cop then darted into the bushes and around the back of the house, that’s reasonable suspicion to detain him/pat him down for a reasonable period of time to figure out what was going on.
He didn’t comply when the officer had that reasonable suspicion and paid the price
Reasonable suspicion doesn’t mean simply anything that anyone may find sketchy.
You need an articulable crime that you suspect he’s committing and a reason to believe it.
I guess you could argue trespassing but essentially the instant he says “my gf lives here and is on her way down to let me in” you scale things back pretty substantially as opposed to stepping on the gas.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:22 pm to RazorBroncs
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I'm having trouble figuring out why they threw on the additional loitering charge and didn't toss out the others if the story happened as described by the news sources. A cop-friendly DA and the police dept would be more likely to let the guy walk away without any charges if they were trying to cover for a frickup, at least from what I've seen.
If they actually get a conviction I’m betting the lawsuit against the county becomes more challenging. As opposed to indicating they fricked up tazing a kid at his gfs house for no immediate threat AND no criminal activity.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:47 pm to NoSaint
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Reasonable suspicion doesn’t mean simply anything that anyone may find sketchy.
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but his unprovoked flight upon noticing the police. Our cases have also recognized that nervous, evasive behavior is a pertinent factor in determining reasonable suspicion. United States v. Brignoni&nbhyph;Ponce, 422 U.S. 873, 885 (1975); Florida v. Rodriguez, 469 U.S. 1, 6 (1984) (per curiam); United States v. Sokolow, supra, at 8—9. Headlong flight–wherever it occurs–is the consummate act of evasion: it is not necessarily indicative of wrongdoing, but it is certainly suggestive of such..,
But unprovoked flight is simply not a mere refusal to cooperate. Flight, by its very nature, is not “going about one’s business”; in fact, it is just the opposite. Allowing officers confronted with such flight to stop the fugitive and investigate further is quite consistent with the individual’s right to go about his business
or to stay put and remain silent in the face of police
questioning.
Use of the taser can be scrutinized more I’m sure after bodycam footage is released. I’d also like to know if this is a high crime neighborhood and other factors. Appears to me though that this stop is completely justified if he ran
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:59 pm to RazorBroncs
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The problem is that we can't take the media or the perp and his direct family members at their word either. All parties have a vested interest here and an agenda, and there's certain factors that give me pause on both sides.
Actually yes we can.
You are innocent until proven guilty and once a cop lies on his report as far as I'm concerned the person arrested should go free. It's completely unacceptable to go after somebody the way he did and then make shite up on the report.
I'm sorry but to me a cop lying on a report should be a massive tell that his version of events is complete bullshite. If they did everything correctly there is no reason to lie.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:00 pm to RazorBroncs
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It would help if we had an unbiased media in this country
What more could the media do to help you make a decision in this case?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:02 pm to cable
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Maybe he wasn't a welcome guest at their home.
Define "wasn't a welcomed guest"?
If her parents told her to not have anyone over, yet she called or texted him to go over.. Is that considered "not being welcomed"?
Assuming this is a possible situation, how dare a teenage boy go to the house of a teenage girl who asks him to come over because her parents are not home.
When I was a teenager, there were a lot of other teenagers in my neighborhood. During the summer it happened on a regular basis. There were several houses with teenage daughters and if their parents knew half the things that went on, there would have been a few daddies wanting to whip some teenagers asses.
Male teenagers will do some stupid shite if they think they have a shot of getting some action..
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:04 pm to Proximo
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I’d also like to know if this is a high crime neighborhood and other factors.
cop claims
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Smyrnios wrote he “has personal knowledge that this neighborhood has had several burglaries.”
however
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But the Lee County Sheriff’s Office crime map doesn’t show any crimes in that specific neighborhood in the past year.
LINK
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:14 pm to Proximo
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IF the kid saw the cop then darted into the bushes and around the back of the house, that’s reasonable suspicion to detain him/pat him down for a reasonable period of time to figure out what was going on.
He didn’t comply when the officer had that reasonable suspicion and paid the price
Yes and No. Chase his arse and see what he was doing for sure.
But Once the cop realized it was a kid going see a girl he should have told the boy get the frick out the back yard and wait in the front for the girl to come out.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:20 pm to Proximo
quote:You seem very keen on reasonable suspicion standards and then completely skip over use of force standards. How convenient.
IF the kid saw the cop then darted into the bushes and around the back of the house, that’s reasonable suspicion to detain him/pat him down for a reasonable period of time to figure out what was going on.
He didn’t comply when the officer had that reasonable suspicion and paid the price
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:26 pm to OweO
He looked like antifas too me! He could have just complied?
Parents are to blame here…
Parents are to blame here…
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