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re: Teen Tased By Trooper On Girlfriend's Porch
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:14 pm to i am dan
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:14 pm to i am dan
quote:I don’t know. Can you articulate what made you reasonably suspicious the subject had, was, or was about to commit a crime?
According to that Florida law, they can detain them right?
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Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:15 pm to i am dan
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You said running and hiding from cops shouldn't be considered suspicious activity.
You’re ignoring context. There was no known crime committed. Sure, if a crime occurs and then a cop sees someone running from them, that’s suspicious. If the cop just sees someone running or hiding from them, without any context I don’t think that should be treated as suspicious.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:15 pm to kengel2
quote:What? You think the kid has had a trial and been convicted?
but dont you think its weird that the video wasnt provided before the kid went to court and that the kid is still in jail.
Why didnt the girls parents give the video to the kids lawyer?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:18 pm to NYCAuburn
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At this point of your scenario what crime does he suspect them of?
Honestly, I imagine the cop thought he would find something on the kid like drugs or something. The cop sees the kid run away from him, and the cop thought he would end up busting the kid for weed or a gun.
And then it got out of hand.
Seems like a pretty believable account of what happened.
I'm heading out now.. been fun discussing this. Made my afternoon go by real quick. And it was an actual civil discussion.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:19 pm to i am dan
quote:Well, if true, that would be an illegal stop and not satisfy Terry or the Florida law.
Honestly, I imagine the cop thought he would find something on the kid like drugs or something. The cop sees the kid run away from him, and the cop thought he would end up busting the kid for weed or a gun.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:19 pm to WDE24
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What? You think the kid has had a trial and been convicted?
No, the article states:
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The surveillance video of the arrest was not provided to or seen by the judge before initially appearing in court. Right now, Jack is still in jail where he’ll remain for 21 days.
It takes less than 10 minutes to get something off a camera system. Especially, if you know where to look.
So why didnt the girls parents help the dude out? If they would have provided the tape, maybe he wouldn't be in jail for 21 days.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:20 pm to WDE24
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Well, if true, that would be an illegal stop and not satisfy Terry or the Florida law.
I agree.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:21 pm to kengel2
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So why didnt the girls parents help the dude out? If they would have provided the tape, maybe he wouldn't be in jail for 21 days.
Why has the kid been in jail for 21 days?
That's weird. Why is he being held? Why would he need to go to court? I figured when the gf or parents got involved, they would explain everything and the kid would be free to go. What happened?
This is another layer on the situation.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:23 pm to kengel2
quote:An initial appearance happens within 24 hours in Florida, I think. It’s very likely he hadn’t retained counsel at the time and even more unlikely counsel has time to collect evidence.
before initially appearing in court.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:26 pm to WDE24
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An initial appearance happens within 24 hours in Florida, I think. It’s very likely he hadn’t retained counsel at the time and even more unlikely counsel has time to collect evidence.
What is the kid being charged for?
I'm not trying to be an arse here. I'm genuinely curious? Resisting or something?
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:29 pm to WDE24
That makes sense, figured he got a summons or something with a court date a week later.
21 days though seems excessive. it take the tazer again instead.
21 days though seems excessive. it take the tazer again instead.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:30 pm to kengel2
Seems he was a juvenile. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the 21 days. I can't find anything that says why.
Here are his charges:
"Rodeman was reportedly arrested for loitering, possession of medical marijuana and a criminal traffic violation, and sent to a juvenile detention center for 21 days."
Here are his charges:
"Rodeman was reportedly arrested for loitering, possession of medical marijuana and a criminal traffic violation, and sent to a juvenile detention center for 21 days."
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:41 pm to i am dan
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He was suspicious of the teen, so he wanted to detain him. How does the tazing work into this?
It doesn't lol. You can't taze a person who is non-threatening nor physically resisting in an effort to detain them.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:58 pm to MMauler
You must be a cop , related to a cop, or just fricking stupid.
Or may be both
Or may be both
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:01 pm to lotik
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"Rodeman was reportedly arrested for loitering, possession of medical marijuana and a criminal traffic violation, and sent to a juvenile detention center for 21 days."
Seems I was correct. Dude ran and hid when he saw the cop, cop suspicious he was in possesion of illegal substance. Cop was right.
That's how it goes I guess.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:08 pm to i am dan
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Seems I was correct. Dude ran and hid when he saw the cop, cop suspicious he was in possesion of illegal substance. Cop was right.
We have no reliable evidence that he ran lol.
ETA:
Regardless of that, the taser is still outside of protocol and the state will have to pay for this officer's mistake.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:10 pm to 777Tiger
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the resisting arrest and traffic charges stuck,
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are these subject to remand? aren't they misdemeanors? hell, even murder charges are subject to bail
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the State added loitering charges after the fact (
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seems bogus if the gf came out and said it was her bf
This is what's throwing me off about the whole thing. Any local PDs I know and work with would've most likely dropped all charges before submitting to the DA (other than the traffic violation) in this instance, especially if the GF is in the police report confirming that this was her house and he was invited over.
The police departments aren't the only ones that receive their reports, the DA does too when deciding on charges to bring. PDs, DAs, and judges don't want to - or choose to - waste their time on cases that will be immediately thrown out because the GF is in the police report exhonerating the guy. Plus it makes the officer and department look stupid/bad if they try something like this in court and the public defender just has to read one sentence quoting the GF in the police report to get his guy out the door.
I'm having trouble figuring out why they threw on the additional loitering charge and didn't toss out the others if the story happened as described by the news sources. A cop-friendly DA and the police dept would be more likely to let the guy walk away without any charges if they were trying to cover for a frickup, at least from what I've seen.
There's more to this story we aren't being told, or we're receiving very limited facts to paint a certain picture. The whole thing is strange, but either way the officer shouldn't have tazed in that situation.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:14 pm to RazorBroncs
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especially if the GF is in the police report confirming that this was her house and he was invited over. PDs, DAs, and judges don't want to - or choose to - waste their time on cases that will be immediately thrown out because the GF is in the police report exhonerating the guy.
The trooper left her off the report.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:24 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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The trooper left her off the report.
I didn't read too much about it after watching the video, so if this is the case then the officer is in the wrong in - yet another - way.
If we could trust the media anymore I'd be all-in on calling for this trooper's resignation, it's just easy to be gun shy when the media in this country has tried to paint a picture of "all cops are bad!" for the last several years.
As a fellow LEO, it's real hard for me to condemn an officer that's been serving for 20 years. But if everything being reported is actually true, it might be time for a transfer to desk duty or retirement for this guy.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 5:32 pm to i am dan
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Seems I was correct. Dude ran and hid when he saw the cop, cop suspicious he was in possesion of illegal substance. Cop was right.
We have zero evidence that the kid ran from the cop. All we have is the cop's claim and since his report has multiple verifiable errors and omissions I don't see how you can possibly take the cop at his word.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 5:34 pm
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