re: Sweden, a nation not on lockdown, had fewest number of deaths in a fortnight yesterday

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I don’t think that’s true, and neither do the Swedes. They have restaurants open, for example - also some bars. Lots of kids are still going to school. No, they are not distancing to the extent Americans are.

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One Swede that thinks it's very close to what other places in Europe are doing is the country’s actual chief epidemiologist, which is why I quoted him in my post.


I'm also not sure you can generally say the degree to which "America" is socially distancing. It's so uneven from place to place.

Just look at this board, for example.

You have daily posts about going to get haircuts at a stylist who's taking appointments at home, people talking about un-spaced lines at Walmart/Grocery stores being less effective than just letting everybody in, big get-togethers at people's houses and you see massive upvotes for the numerous posts bragging about ignoring measures.


So, while more in Sweden is open --like elementary schools although high Schools and universities are closed -- what you hear from Swedes are that restaurants there still seem more "distanced" than Walmart does here, just for example.

It just does not work for the simplistic black and white comparison people want to make.

Italy had some of the same problems as the US. With every step to officially close stuff, they had lots of people ignoring them and even creating more spread by leaving bad areas en masse for vacation homes, relatives in less affected areas.

9,685 cases, 870 deaths

I don't know how Sweden will end up, but damn why would anyone believe or rely on the IHME model again?

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I've asked several times and never gotten an answer: what is so different about the Chinese Flu from H1N1, Ebola, MERS, etc that warranted this overreaction?


Or the 1968 flu pandemic. 100,000 US dead. Did anyone bat an eye?

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2018-2019 United States flu season Over 80,000 US deaths.

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Of course! Any fool could have told you this whole thing was a farce from the beginning. We have wrecked the economy and trampled people's rights over the flu.
Several days ago someone posted on here (probably gleefully) that we had passed Italy at 18,000 deaths. And we know a number of those are false positives or shoddy reporting. We had idiots on here predicting hundreds of thousands of deaths.
I've asked several times and never gotten an answer: what is so different about the Chinese Flu from H1N1, Ebola, MERS, etc that warranted this overreaction?

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Pretty much the exact same as the USA as a whole.

~60 per square mile.

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You are a smart guy and I know you know this, but it wouldn’t be fair to compare a european country to us even if population density on avg is the same. That’s just population per sq mile or whatever. Sweden on avg would live in more small and medium communities very close together and then be very rural. The USA in general doesn’t have crazy close communities outside of the biggest cities.

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2018-2019 United States flu season Over 80,000 US deaths.

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Not according to the CDC data....

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CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1.

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Link to CDC info for 2018-2019 influenza

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Weren’t you the guy trying to say 70 people per year die in the US as a result of motor vehicle accidents?

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So sorry to mistype something. I'll try better next time.

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Oh, so it was a typo then?

You’re right, it’s a common mistake to type 70 instead of 35000.

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Yea, hence the fact that I edited my post immediately after I submitted it. Congrats on the win my dude. Any substantive argument or you just want to talk about typos?