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re: Sweden, a nation not on lockdown, had fewest number of deaths in a fortnight yesterday
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:58 am to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:58 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:26 am to RollTide1987
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Fact is...Sweden is still a functioning society, albeit limited in nature. Most of the rest of the world, including us, can't claim that.
The way Sweden did it may be better, but all these people pretending Sweden isn’t doing anything different are all wet.
And remember too this isn’t close to being over and people are acting like it is.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:29 am to QJenk
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now imagine how much higher that number could have been if we had no vaccine, nor viable treatment options
I don't need to imagine it. We have documented evidence of how bad influenza used to be prior to the vaccine being developed and, aside from the pandemics of 1918, 1957, and 1968, there really isn't that much difference. For instance...the 1957 Asian Flu pandemic is estimated to have killed between 70,000-100,000 Americans.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 10:31 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:33 am to doubleb
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And remember too this isn’t close to being over and people are acting like it is.
It'll last for as long as we continue to pretend that it's the apocalypse. It's time to accept and face reality. People are going to die no matter what we do. The best way to limit deaths in the long term is to open the country back up and let the virus take its course. Because if we continue to sit on our hands for the foreseeable future, more people will end up dying in the depression and civil unrest that will follow.
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Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:34 am to ExtraGravy
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Aaand as if on cue: Sweden reported a new high in daily deaths today of 170—per capita that would be over 5400 deaths/day in USA, twice the US figure.
It's also worth comparing Sweden's so-far overall death toll of 1,203 people from Covid-19 as of Wednesday, a rate of 101 per million inhabitants, to nearby countries: 51 per million in Denmark and just 11 per million in Finland, both of which imposed strict early lockdowns to curb the virus’s spread.
So we should all just continue hiding in our homes indefinitely, right? Sweden is doing it the right way. Yes there will be pain in the short term. But they will be past this and back to normal a lot quicker. You Chicken Littles are going to have to come to grips with reality--this isn't going away, and hiding in your home is not accomplishing anything other than prolonging this terrible situation.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:37 am to ExtraGravy
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Aaand as if on cue: Sweden reported a new high in daily deaths today of 170—per capita that would be over 5400 deaths/day in USA, twice the US figure.
Good.
They're building up herd immunity which will help them in the long term. While we're all drowning in the inevitable second wave next fall, Sweden will be riding high and trucking along as if nothing was happening outside their neck of the woods.
We should be doing what they are doing. It's the best way to prevent financial ruin and more deaths in the long term.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:58 am to RollTide1987
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I don't need to imagine it. We have documented evidence of how bad influenza used to be prior to the vaccine being developed and, aside from the pandemics of 1918, 1957, and 1968, there really isn't that much difference. For instance...the 1957 Asian Flu pandemic is estimated to have killed between 70,000-100,000 Americans.
Exactly my point. We are trying to avoid those numbers reaching that point or potentially even higher.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:04 am to QJenk
Ths was overestimated from the start. The entire "shut it down" hysteria started with the wildly inaccurate 2.2 million death projections from an English guy. That's what our policy s being driven by.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:08 am to RollTide1987
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The best way to limit deaths in the long term is to open the country back up and let the virus take its course.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:10 am to RollTide1987
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The best way to limit deaths in the long term is to open the country back up and let the virus take its course.
How do you know this?
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:14 am to RollTide1987
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This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:28 am to RollTide1987
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I don't need to imagine it. We have documented evidence of how bad influenza used to be prior to the vaccine being developed and, aside from the pandemics of 1918, 1957, and 1968, there really isn't that much difference. For instance...the 1957 Asian Flu pandemic is estimated to have killed between 70,000-100,000 Americans.
You use estimates for flu deaths that come from the same people who estimate the number of COVID to push your argument. I’ve read reliable articles which say all these flu death totals are way too high. The facts are they can’t come close to telling you how many die each year from the flu, their models aren’t that good.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 11:35 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:34 am to RollTide1987
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It'll last for as long as we continue to pretend that it's the apocalypse
It’s going to last no matter what we do. Pretend there’s no danger, or pretend it’s the end of the world, but the virus is here to stay.
Now it’s true we need to get things going, but there’s a best way to do that. What they do in Nashville or Des Moines might be different than what is fine in NO or NYC. You guys screaming to open everything up and let the chit hit the fan are no different than those screaming to lock everyone inside.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:37 am to SloaneRanger
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Sweden is doing it the right way.
Sweden was practicing social distancing probably better than we were just because they trust what the government suggested. They did close most of the schools a while back and are now locking down more stuff.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:38 am to doubleb
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You guys screaming to open everything up and let the chit hit the fan
Almost no one is saying this. Many things can be opened now and operated safely with little effort. Retail stores where distancing is kept is an example. Most offices. Zoos, botanical gardens, etc. Is there some additional risk? Yes. But if people will use some basic common sense, the risk is worth it.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:46 am to SloaneRanger
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Almost no one is saying this
But they are.
They are one extreme as those saying you lock it all down is another.
But they are here.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:51 am to SloaneRanger
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Retail stores where distancing is kept is an example.
Remember the melt threads when walmart said they were gonna limit occupancy and put 6foot markers for the line to get in?
Lol
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:57 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Someone should let Honor Code know these stats instead of using his own made up shite.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 12:33 pm to QJenk
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Exactly my point. We are trying to avoid those numbers reaching that point or potentially even higher.
And my point is this: the country didn't need to shutdown over 100,000 deaths in 1957. It doesn't need to do so in 2020 either.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 12:34 pm to doubleb
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Pretend there’s no danger, or pretend it’s the end of the world, but the virus is here to stay.
That's fine. Let it run its course.
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