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re: St. George’s fact of the day revealed
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:07 am to Golfer
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:07 am to Golfer
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50,000 people remained in the metro area permanantly.
Yeps. Many are in Ascension Parish and still commute to Nola area for work. It created a positive shift towards diversity in that parish and they tip well, too. I was pleasantly surprised in 2011-15 when I was peddling pizza out there.
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:23 am to doubleb
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So why did they go to all the trouble of forming their own ISD?
Bussing
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:38 am to magildachunks
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Bussing
So Zachary had great schools, but the issue was Zachary kids were bussed elsewhere and didn't get to attend?
That would aggravate me too.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:51 am to SoloTiger
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As someone in the proposed "St.George" I am sympathetic to the cause.
But if I get the vibe my property taxes are about to jump I'm voting "no".
If St. George gets an ISD it's been reported property taxes will go up near Texas levels. The problem is Louisiana residents are still stuck paying state income tax on top of high property taxes. But Houston burbs and surrounding cities have amazing schools. No need for private schools as most are probably better than Louisiana private schools anyway (from what I've been told).
But to pay high property taxes on top of state income tax is a death sentence for many At. George residents
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:52 am to Mudminnow
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If St. George gets an ISD it's been reported property taxes will go up near Texas levels
No it hasn't.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:58 am to Mudminnow
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If St. George gets an ISD it's been reported property taxes will go up near Texas levels.
It has been reported they would rise and ONE DAY reach Texas Levels WITH state income tax included in that total.
You made that sound like people paying $3k in taxes will go to paying $12k the next year.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:21 am to doubleb
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If one time monies funded the large budget growth then the budget would have had to decline.
Not if you cherry pick the years to show a period of decline and a period of heavy federal funds. You know, like were hitting the budget in 2017. What was the budget in 2016? I'll look in to that.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:23 am to Mudminnow
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If St. George gets an ISD it's been reported property taxes will go up near Texas levels. The problem is Louisiana residents are still stuck paying state income tax on top of high property taxes. But Houston burbs and surrounding cities have amazing schools. No need for private schools as most are probably better than Louisiana private schools anyway (from what I've been told). But to pay high property taxes on top of state income tax is a death sentence for many At. George residents
Step back and look at this thing logically.
Texas schools pay high property taxes to support their schools. They don't pat income tax to support their schools, and they don't pay sales taxes to support the school.
Now look at the EBRSS right now.
It gets revenues prom property taxes (around 43.4 mills) PLUS revenues from a 2% sales tax, and money from the state (derived from income taxes, etc.) for each pupil.
If you add up the property taxes, the sales taxes, and the revenues derived from state sales and income taxes; EBR citizens pay a lot right now for schools.
Would they need to pay more if SG became a school district? That's the question because we are already paying taxes for teachers, discipline construction, and everything else that the school system does.
But there is no way the property tax is going to TRIPLE!!! That's just a scare tactic.
And if you don't trust my numbers do the research yourself. The truth is when you look at all the taxes EBRSS receives, it's a lot of money.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 9:36 am
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:35 am to BlackAdam
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Not if you cherry pick the years to show a period of decline and a period of heavy federal funds. You know, like were hitting the budget in 2017. What was the budget in 2016? I'll look in to that.
Since 2009 the EBR budget went up over 200 million dollars to 919 million for the current year. It was approximately 700 million in 2009.
Advocate article
Recent budgets:
https://www.brla.gov/1406/Annual-Operating-Budgets
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:41 am to the paradigm
Shitting on City of Baton Rouge is not the best way to get the signatures they want.
The people on the fence are not there because of how much BR spends.
They would be better off expounding on their plans and merits, so that people don’t think that St. George would be led by a bunch of morons in over their heads.
The people on the fence are not there because of how much BR spends.
They would be better off expounding on their plans and merits, so that people don’t think that St. George would be led by a bunch of morons in over their heads.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:10 am to the paradigm
Source for this fact? A random number put out by a clearly biased group doesn't instill much confidence in its veracity to me. Even if it's 100% true, it doesn't necessarily mean anything because:
The budget amount doesn't really matter unless you're also given the anticipated revenue amounts. If the budget is less than expected revenue then who cares?
Also, since any "Baton Rouge" budget is basically East Baton Rouge Parish for the purposes of budgeting, it makes sense that ours would be higher than a lot of other areas. Our budget would include parish services that other cities don't have to pay for.
Stats don't mean a whole lot unless context is also provided.
The budget amount doesn't really matter unless you're also given the anticipated revenue amounts. If the budget is less than expected revenue then who cares?
Also, since any "Baton Rouge" budget is basically East Baton Rouge Parish for the purposes of budgeting, it makes sense that ours would be higher than a lot of other areas. Our budget would include parish services that other cities don't have to pay for.
Stats don't mean a whole lot unless context is also provided.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:14 am to tigers win2
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Kip will run for mayor of St George. Can’t claim it’ was about race when first mayor elected is non-Caucasian
He lives in Scotlandville, why the hell would he care about St. George?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:21 am to doubleb
We pay Sales and use tax, Property tax, Income tax. I wonder how many states have all 3 levels of this taxation.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:25 am to MLCLyons
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He lives in Scotlandville, why the hell would he care about St. George?
Regardless of where Kip lives, if you think the impact of a St. George’s incorporation stops at the proposed boundaries...you’re mistaken.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:25 am to Ray Finkle
When does signing for the petition start and how do you sign it?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:25 am to Ray Finkle
Tax burden, Louisiana is ranked 29th in 2017. Louisiana was ranked 47th in Tax burden in 2012.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:30 am to SoloTiger
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But if I get the vibe my property taxes are about to jump I'm voting "no"
Then let's hope you at least get the chance to vote. The opposition fears an election more than anything.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:30 am to Mudminnow
I do not care what people think of. I want the best for my kids and i will do anything for it. Family first. If they have a plan for good schools. I'm ready
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:35 am to BeepNode
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The federal (desegregation) rules changed in 2013 which no longer required them to form a city. This is a very key truth that is left out of all of these statements.
I mean, I'm all for them doing whatever they want but the amount of intentionally incomplete info is astounding.
Tell that to the legislature Check out the 0:22 mark. The funding requires a 2/3 vote to pass.
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:40 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Can someone explain this? Is it because the white kids don’t want to go to school with the poor blacks? I’m not judging. I’m trying to understand this movement.
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Has nothing to do with race, at least not for me. Parents just want what's best for their kids, and sending them to a terrible public school isn't that. Almost everyone who can afford it sends their kids to private school because it is pretty much the only way their kids will get a good education. So a portion of unincorporated BR wants to create their own city and create a new school district so they no longer have to pay for private school. An area north of BR called Zachary did this a while ago, and it has been a great public school for many many years. Essentially the St. George people want to do the same thing.
I don't begrudge anyone wanting the best education for their kids. It's a universal human drive to provide the best for our children.
I do think that, in the long term, the increased balkanization of areas probably won't be beneficial to society as a whole or to a healthy civilization. At some point, either everything is going to have to improve or the whole thing will fall apart. I do, however, recognize that people don't make these kinds of decisions for the long term. They have to live in the now and the immediate future.
I'm out in the country and I'm glad I don't have to make this determination. I know there are areas where different segments of society - middle class & poor, (and some rich), black & white, catholic and protestant, etc. all send their children to public schools and they work. Not all areas are able to pull off that kind of thing though, I guess.
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