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re: St. George’s fact of the day revealed
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:22 pm to doubleb
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:22 pm to doubleb
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Texas Per-Pupil Funding Falls Farther Below National Average
Texas' per-pupil spending continues to fall farther below the national average, despite the state Supreme Court declaring the school finance system barely constitutional last year.
May 10, 2017, at 11:18 a.m.
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas' per-pupil spending continues to fall farther below the national average, despite the state Supreme Court declaring the public school finance system barely constitutional last year.
The Texas arm of the National Education Association, the country's largest teachers union, announced Wednesday data showing state spending per K-12 student declined by an average of $143 to $10,017 from the 2015-2016 school year to the current 2016-2017 one.
Texas ranks 36th nationwide in classroom spending, $2,555 less per student than the national average which rose to $12,572. Texas' booming population also saw statewide classroom enrollment rise about 80,000 children over the same period.
The Legislature cut $5.4 billion from schools in 2011 prompting a sweeping lawsuit. The Texas Supreme Court last May found the state's school finance system deeply flawed but constitutional.
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This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 3:23 pm
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:32 pm to Mudminnow
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Very curious what EBR spends their money on. Are they building more new schools every year, more than Cy-Fair?
It would be hard to imagine we're building more than districts way larger than ours.
Starting salary $44,500.00 with a BA degree,$48,400.00 with a PHD. There are a couple of entries in between the two.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:32 pm to dragginass
D A do you think SG could manage on 10K a year per student?
ETA: Zachary spends roughly $9,780.00 per student.
Budget $52,136.00
Students 5,331
ETA: Zachary spends roughly $9,780.00 per student.
Budget $52,136.00
Students 5,331
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:25 pm to doubleb
There's no reason they can't. School building is going to be an initial issue, but T-buildings are the norm already.
Forgotten amongst all of the "legacy" cost issues that get debated, are the structures. The SG area has certainly contributed more than enough tax dollars to have more than one high school, library, etc....but they don't. I realize it's different governing bodies/agencies, but it's worth noting.
Forgotten amongst all of the "legacy" cost issues that get debated, are the structures. The SG area has certainly contributed more than enough tax dollars to have more than one high school, library, etc....but they don't. I realize it's different governing bodies/agencies, but it's worth noting.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:32 pm to dragginass
19.2% of the population lives in SG.
We have one HS
We have one middle school.
Is it five elementary schools?
We might get a zoo we don't want.
We have one library.
We have a jam up soccer complex.
We have some nice parks, cross country course, and a nice golf course.
It's something to start with.
ETA- initial demand for schools will be tricky. Most won't leave where they are now. Gradually students will come once they determine whether or not the product is good. Younger kids will be first.
We have one HS
We have one middle school.
Is it five elementary schools?
We might get a zoo we don't want.
We have one library.
We have a jam up soccer complex.
We have some nice parks, cross country course, and a nice golf course.
It's something to start with.
ETA- initial demand for schools will be tricky. Most won't leave where they are now. Gradually students will come once they determine whether or not the product is good. Younger kids will be first.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:40 pm to doubleb
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Katy ISD is really good as well.
budget $663.9M Enrollment 77,233 (pre-Harvey) $8,596.00 per student.
EBRPSS spends $13,392 per student, and ranks almost dead last in the nation overall as a school system.
ETA: LINK
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:46 pm to tommy2tone1999
Link?
My math has it lower, but not low
My math has it lower, but not low
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:56 pm to doubleb
added link to the previous post
Posted on 3/7/18 at 5:09 pm to the paradigm
Having Together Baton Rouge speak publicly against St George is only going to increase the chances of that area becoming a city. They will do more harm than good.
If I was an organizer of the SG movement, I would make sure TBR is given all the media coverage they can get to continue to oppose this. TBR will drive residents to the petition locations
If I was an organizer of the SG movement, I would make sure TBR is given all the media coverage they can get to continue to oppose this. TBR will drive residents to the petition locations
Posted on 3/7/18 at 5:57 pm to tommy2tone1999
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EBRPSS spends $13,392 per student, and ranks almost dead last in the nation overall as a school system
Exactly. So it’s not an issue of money being spent. It’s the student population and the culture within the vast majority of that population. Until someone comes up with a viable solution to that culture problem, the only option available is to distance yourself and your children from it. Therefore, St George is proposed.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 6:10 pm to tommy2tone1999
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EBRPSS spends $13,392 per student
Damn that's higher than I thought
Posted on 3/7/18 at 7:21 pm to tommy2tone1999
From that same site for TX
National Rank: 4
Number of Public PreK-12 Schools: 9,366
Number of Private PreK-12 Schools: 1,401
Number of 4-Year Colleges: 134
Percent of Students in Total Population: 24%
St. George just needs to have a few comparisons of a few of the Houston area ISDs with how much they spend per student and EBR and a few stats btwn the two. That will send the message home
National Rank: 4
Number of Public PreK-12 Schools: 9,366
Number of Private PreK-12 Schools: 1,401
Number of 4-Year Colleges: 134
Percent of Students in Total Population: 24%
St. George just needs to have a few comparisons of a few of the Houston area ISDs with how much they spend per student and EBR and a few stats btwn the two. That will send the message home
Posted on 3/7/18 at 7:45 pm to Mudminnow
It's eye opening
Posted on 3/7/18 at 7:55 pm to BeepNode
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This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:02 pm to SPEEDY
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Having Together Baton Rouge speak publicly against St George is only going to increase the chances of that area becoming a city. They will do more harm than good.
If I was an organizer of the SG movement, I would make sure TBR is given all the media coverage they can get to continue to oppose this. TBR will drive residents to the petition locations
Fact. TBR is the same as Nancy Pelosi saying asinine shite about Trump every day, it’ll only push more people towards SG.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 7:55 am to TigersSEC2010
Some of the St. George baws need to see this thread. This is all the info they need to convince people how much waste and corruption in EBR and EBR school system
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 7:56 am
Posted on 3/8/18 at 8:54 am to Mudminnow
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Some of the St. George baws need to see this thread. This is all the info they need to convince people how much waste and corruption in EBR and EBR school system
When you look at the numbers, it gets you to thinking. For how long have we been told our school system sucks because we (the taxpayers) don't pay enough taxes and that you pay for what you get?
For how long have we heard that Texans support schools via high property taxes and we do not, but when you look at available revenues to the school system, we have more than some and its not even close.
Money isn't the problem in EBR. Property taxes, sales taxes, and state support provide more than enough funds.
That leads to the question, would the current level of local taxation (state level wouldn't change) support an ISD. Would the current 43 plus mills in property taxes and the 2 cent sales taxes support an ISD? Or would that be a good start, but the need for new schools make it more expensive?
I think the answer to those questions depends on how many schools would SG "inherit" and what would the initial enrollment be? The first question can easily be answered, the second one would be much tougher.
You can assume that kids going to school in the district would stay in the district with the exception of magnet or gifted students who might move to retain what they have. And you may have some kids who leave private schools for the new ISD. How many would that be?
I think that's the questions SG needs to answer as best they can, and have a good, workable plan to do what they need to do when the time comes.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 9:32 am to doubleb
From what I understand. A St. George ISD is not a given and that may be the only drawback in people supporting the effort.
Louisiana like to compare itself to TX in every way possible because so many residents move there, but this is great information. Spending 4-5K per student less and have amazing schools that are better than private schools where people are paying 10K a year plus state income tax, and property taxes.
Louisiana like to compare itself to TX in every way possible because so many residents move there, but this is great information. Spending 4-5K per student less and have amazing schools that are better than private schools where people are paying 10K a year plus state income tax, and property taxes.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 9:56 am to fallguy_1978
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EBRPSS spends $13,392 per student
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Damn that's higher than I thought
This is really all the St. George proponents need to say. Proof is in the pudding.
I love the city of Baton Rouge and would love to see EBRPSS get their act together, but they have had about 40 years to "fix" the problems and it's gotten even worse. It's no secret that the public school system is hurting our chances for economic development.
Time to move on.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:57 am to Mudminnow
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From what I understand. A St. George ISD is not a given and that may be the only drawback in people supporting the effort.
There will be those that try to block a SG ISD even if SG the city is created. How big the opposition remqainds to be seen, but if I had to guess it will be just as fierce as the opposition is now.
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