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So if Napoleon wins Waterloo, does it merely prolong the inevitable?
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:02 pm
He was still heavily outnumbered when all coalition forces are totaled up. He had to attack them in pieces. Was he simply running out of men or had everyone else adapted to his tactics.
Would the British have signed a peace treaty after Waterloo or would they have doubled down?
Would the British have signed a peace treaty after Waterloo or would they have doubled down?
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:04 pm to prplhze2000
Speed Queens would be the only washers & dryers you could buy.
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:10 pm to prplhze2000
Napoleon was an outstanding artillery officer and leader. However, his tactics once mastered by his enemies greatly neutered his once formidable army. By the time of Waterloo, his army was a shell of its former self. It was inevitable much like the Germans in WW1
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:11 pm to prplhze2000
Great Britain and the allies were never going to make peace with a man who's effective talents were purely military
Napoleon needed to make war so he could affect power, because he could not control France politically
Napoleon needed to make war so he could affect power, because he could not control France politically
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:22 pm to OWLFAN86
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Great Britain and the allies were never going to make peace with a man who's effective talents were purely military
Yep
He wasnt a fart sniffing noble. Could never give him a seat at the table
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:22 pm to prplhze2000
I don't know other than he was very unlucky to lose the battle.
Wellington had not a clue what Napoleon was up to. He thought the French would try to flank him, cut off the English Channel, and then destroy his army. Napoleon on the other hand thought the Germans had all retreated and gone home. However, once Blücher and Gneisenau arrived that battle was over.
Wellington had not a clue what Napoleon was up to. He thought the French would try to flank him, cut off the English Channel, and then destroy his army. Napoleon on the other hand thought the Germans had all retreated and gone home. However, once Blücher and Gneisenau arrived that battle was over.
This post was edited on 8/2/26 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:26 pm to prplhze2000
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He had to attack them in pieces. Was he simply running out of men or had everyone else adapted to his tactics.
Your hunch is correct. Napoleon was a great general. However, one of the reasons he had such incredible victories is because he was fighting buffoons. Eventually, the European aristocracies, found generals who were competent. At that point, the weight of the arms against him were just too much.
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:29 pm to prplhze2000
Napoleon was in all kinds of trouble even before it got to Waterloo. For one fricking with the Russians put him in a bad spot.
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:30 pm to prplhze2000
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Would the British have signed a peace treaty after Waterloo or would they have doubled down?
No, the UK seemed willing to drive themselves into fiscal insolvency, peak debt to GDP ratio of somewhere between 200%-250%, to ensure a strong Continental power did not exist.
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:36 pm to TigerBR1111
I would submit the Grand Army that invaded Russia was not that good an army. It was French but a lot of troops came from other countries.
His best troops were in Spain, which Wellington chewed up. I would say Spain cost him more than Russia did in terms of fighting ability.
His best troops were in Spain, which Wellington chewed up. I would say Spain cost him more than Russia did in terms of fighting ability.
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:48 pm to prplhze2000
Well, his Generals in Spain did not do him any service
But this was one of those Wars where the native population, Spanish in this case also heavily contributed to Wellington's effectiveness and success
But this was one of those Wars where the native population, Spanish in this case also heavily contributed to Wellington's effectiveness and success
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:52 pm to Cfrobel
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No, the UK seemed willing to drive themselves into fiscal insolvency, peak debt to GDP ratio of somewhere between 200%-250%, to ensure a strong Continental power did not exist.
On the contrary, the UK had undergone the industrial revolution. No other country could compete with Britain on price. It was Napoleon who desperately tried to exclude British products, via his "Continental System", from Europe.
Britain had their reasons for wanting to stop the French democratic revolution - namely its contagion - but by the time Napoleon declared himself emperor that was no longer an issue.
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:53 pm to prplhze2000
Everything would be the same as it is.
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:42 pm to prplhze2000
Horse losses in Russia campaign were also a huge problem.
Napoleon would run around defeating army after army in Europe trying to keep them from linking up. But he could never completely destroy and army because he longer had the calvary to run them down in panic retreat, which is where the major casualties were accomplished in this age of warfare.
This video shows how it affected him in later battles....
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The estimates vary, but a commonly cited figure is that Napoleon lost around 200,000 horses during the campaign
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A scholarly study by historian Dominic Lieven makes the particularly important point that, for Napoleon, the loss of horses in 1812 was arguably even more consequential than the loss of men. The shortage seriously undermined his ability to fight effectively in 1813.
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France could conscript hundreds of thousands of young men.
But you can't manufacture a good cavalry horse in six months.
A cavalry horse needs to be:
bred
raised
trained
conditioned
accustomed to gunfire
accustomed to formations
physically strong enough to carry a heavily equipped cavalryman
And Napoleon had just lost a huge portion of the trained horse population upon which his cavalry and artillery depended.
Napoleon would run around defeating army after army in Europe trying to keep them from linking up. But he could never completely destroy and army because he longer had the calvary to run them down in panic retreat, which is where the major casualties were accomplished in this age of warfare.
This video shows how it affected him in later battles....
This post was edited on 8/2/26 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:51 pm to Rip Torner
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It was inevitable much like the Germans in WW1
That wasnt inevitable at all
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:20 pm to prplhze2000
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So if Napoleon wins Waterloo, does it merely prolong the inevitable?
Yes.
And if he had somehow snatched victory from the jaws of defeat at Waterloo, his army was pretty beat up and all of Europe would have been mobilizing against him. They were tired of him and wanted him off the chessboard. Not only that, France was still very weary and beat-up from almost 20 years of constant warfare. There is no way they would have been able to last.
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:21 pm to BestBanker
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And we wouldn't have Abba.
It’s funny how people’s YouTube algorithms start syncing up.
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