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re: Only 7 Black Students Got Into N.Y.’s Most Selective High School, Out of 895 Spots
Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:05 am to xiv
Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:05 am to xiv
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...and had to compete only against whites and not everybody amirite
No, everyone had the same opportunity, just as they do today, but we didn't have rules that excluded qualified students back then.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:53 am to vistajay
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The problem for NYC politicians here is there is no easy target to blame. Hard to demonize low to middle income Asians whose kids work their asses off and parents sacrifice, so they can ace the entrance test.
that is ultimately the big issue
not just with these admissions, but with Harvard and other elite schools past high school. that's why a group of asian-Americans are suing Harvard
it also shows that (1) politicians don't consider asians to be true minorities and (2) when leftist politicians speak of "diversity", it typically means inclusion of black people (and sometimes brown people, but they're also relegated to a 2nd class minority status slightly above asians). they stick with the same generic buzz words, though
Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:54 am to fallguy_1978
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Under the guise of fairness and diversity let's dumb down the whole school.
It's the leftist way!
Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:56 am to pjab
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The selective enrollment schools are impressive. There is a tremendous amount of effort put into the math/English testing beginning in 3rd grade so students can get into a good middle school then a good high school.
let me just use this comment as a way to digress into another somewhat related sociopolitical topic
when people bitch about "free college", they don't understand that the countries who offer this have educational tracks similar to the natural progression listed above. can anyone imagine the outrage here if we adopted that sort of a system? sure you get free college but black and brown kids are cut off from college in elementary school
Posted on 3/19/19 at 7:06 am to ExtraGravy
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"“Most of our parents don’t believe in ‘gifted,’ ” said Riyan Iqbal, 15, the son of Bangladeshi immigrants, as he and his friends — of Bengali, Korean and Indian descent — meandered toward the subway from the Bronx High School of Science one recent afternoon. “It’s all about hard work.”
that is the big issue. none of these concepts are so difficult that a super high IQ is required. it's mostly work
asians out-work everyone else so their kids do very, very well in placement. there is no secret mystery as to why they're so successful in education through college. the stories like the one i'm quoting are amazing and show that the alleged structural issues aren't nearly as insurmountable as the left claims
on a side note, tiger moms get annoyed/mad when gifted gringos do better than their child without working as hard. personal experience
Posted on 3/19/19 at 7:18 am to northshorebamaman
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Sounds merit based based because this wouldn't have happened if race was a consideration. I don't have a problem with that. Study harder.
This. No one owes you a spot in anything because of how much melanin your skin has or does not have.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 7:47 am to Bamboozles
Some races are better academically than others? Wow genetics are racist!
Posted on 3/19/19 at 7:48 am to Bamboozles
Sounds like someone is actually trying to educate students
Posted on 3/19/19 at 8:27 am to Bamboozles
It appears to me after numerous years in education that the ever growing divide between those experiencing succes in academia and those who were failing had a lot to do with resources. Families with more money, deeper ties to community, more free time, all have advantages.
This isn’t going to be popular here, but rigging the system to give people who otherwise wouldn’t have access to certain things that access might be needed to prevent large contingents of have nots within specific populations.
It’s very easy to claim that a merit based system is the most democratic on face value, but let’s not pretend that when running this “fair race” multiple people are given a head start and others are given a serious handicap. There had to be a common sense way of acknowledging the ways to help without destroying all that is fair in the world.
I find it odd that the people in Louisiana who more than people anywhere else scream for merit based rewards and hate anything that even sniffs of affirmative action when the Lousiana culture is at its core full of nepotism and cronyism. People on this site brag that LSU law is the best in the state, because it’s connections will get you a job in state better than any other law school all without acknowledging that 50% of the population my parents age were not even allowed to apply to the institution. “The who you know, not what you know” almost a source of pride aomongst people in Louisiana.
All playing fields aren’t level and they haven’t been for a long time. Changing that is gonna take some flexibility amongst everyone.
This isn’t going to be popular here, but rigging the system to give people who otherwise wouldn’t have access to certain things that access might be needed to prevent large contingents of have nots within specific populations.
It’s very easy to claim that a merit based system is the most democratic on face value, but let’s not pretend that when running this “fair race” multiple people are given a head start and others are given a serious handicap. There had to be a common sense way of acknowledging the ways to help without destroying all that is fair in the world.
I find it odd that the people in Louisiana who more than people anywhere else scream for merit based rewards and hate anything that even sniffs of affirmative action when the Lousiana culture is at its core full of nepotism and cronyism. People on this site brag that LSU law is the best in the state, because it’s connections will get you a job in state better than any other law school all without acknowledging that 50% of the population my parents age were not even allowed to apply to the institution. “The who you know, not what you know” almost a source of pride aomongst people in Louisiana.
All playing fields aren’t level and they haven’t been for a long time. Changing that is gonna take some flexibility amongst everyone.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:17 am to Jp1LSU
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All playing fields aren’t level and they haven’t been for a long time. Changing that is gonna take some flexibility amongst everyone.
Realistically, this is never going to happen.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:27 am to Jp1LSU
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This isn’t going to be popular here
You're correct.
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There had to be a common sense way of acknowledging the ways to help without destroying all that is fair in the world.
There is nothing that can be externally done to address the population you're speaking of. That has to come from within. You can't force a people to change their culture.
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but let’s not pretend that when running this “fair race” multiple people are given a head start and others are given a serious handicap.
What head start were people given? What serious handicap were others given? Be specific.
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I find it odd that the people in Louisiana who more than people anywhere else scream for merit based rewards and hate anything that even sniffs of affirmative action
I'm not from Louisiana, and affirmative action is racist and/or sexist in ANY form. Period.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:30 am to Bamboozles
Those 7 should feel extremely proud of themselves.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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not just with these admissions, but with Harvard and other elite schools past high school. that's why a group of asian-Americans are suing Harvard
it also shows that (1) politicians don't consider asians to be true minorities and (2) when leftist politicians speak of "diversity", it typically means inclusion of black people (and sometimes brown people, but they're also relegated to a 2nd class minority status slightly above asians). they stick with the same generic buzz words, though
A lot of the powers that be graduated from the schools that use the system. They don't see a problem with how it is done because they know it breeds the best results.
There is little desire to actually change the entry format.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:32 am to Bamboozles
Is admission to this school strictly test score based?
Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:54 am to chryso
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Is admission to this school strictly test score based?
Yes.
Blind test from admission standpoint.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:32 am to arkyhawk
quote:if this were the LHSAA they'd be select schools
I'm confused and dumb and from a small town in the Midwest. How are these considered public schools?
Posted on 3/19/19 at 12:51 pm to fightin tigers
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Take a google into Stuyvesant Cuddle Puddle
Jesus i feel dirty just reading that. Should this be happening in school? frick back when i was in high school we had to skip school to have the sex. I wonder how many teachers are filming this or pleasuring themselves through peep holes while watching. Liberals for sure. Well i guess this is better than one snapping due to the immense pressures associated with being in such an elite school.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 12:59 pm to xiv
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and had to compete only against whites and not everybody amirite
I dont know what lily white school you went to but living and going to school in East Baton Rouge and West Baton Rouge i can assure you that wasnt true. Matter of fact most of my schools i was a minority:
Westdale in BR
La Belle Aire in BR
Port Allen High in WBR
Rougon Elementary in Pointe Coupee
Posted on 3/19/19 at 1:04 pm to Pedro
27,000 students applied, 5,500 were black
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