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re: Liberty Safes is going the way of Bud Light on Twitter. Update: Liberty has responded
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:14 pm to boxcarbarney
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:14 pm to boxcarbarney
The FBI can get into the safe without the pass code. They will just cut into/break into it.
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:15 pm to BR92
I am strictly old school. I have 2 small safes that have keys to them.
I still have a flip phone and a car that doesn't have any of the new tech crap. Also have a 35 Y O laundry set that still work as new.
Guess I am an old fossil. I don't care.
I still have a flip phone and a car that doesn't have any of the new tech crap. Also have a 35 Y O laundry set that still work as new.
Guess I am an old fossil. I don't care.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:22 pm to SloaneRanger
The issue is you own the safe yet a company allowed access into the safe they did not own.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:24 pm to DeafJam73
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The FBI came with a warrant. I mean, what were they supposed to do?
Warrant says they have the right to search the safe, not that a corporation MUST open the safe.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:25 pm to ronricks
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The FBI can get into the safe without the pass code. They will just cut into/break into it.
At least they'd have to put in a little work going that route.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:34 pm to boxcarbarney
Safes are only meant to slow people down and deter a house thief from bothering with it. They are not designed to keep out a determined adversary with unlimited time and resources.
So to me, it's "meh." The government would get in with or without Liberty's help.
So to me, it's "meh." The government would get in with or without Liberty's help.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:50 pm to boxcarbarney
I'm actively shopping for a safe, and Liberty just got crossed through.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:53 pm to AUstar
Right or wrong, I just don’t like where it’s going.
Wouldn’t like my safe to be openable by a company from anywhere in the world.
Same way I really don’t like the idea of a company being able to control the temp in my car or lock me out of features.
Yes there are some benefits, but I don’t like it.
Wouldn’t like my safe to be openable by a company from anywhere in the world.
Same way I really don’t like the idea of a company being able to control the temp in my car or lock me out of features.
Yes there are some benefits, but I don’t like it.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:00 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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Right or wrong, I just don’t like where it’s going.
Wouldn’t like my safe to be openable by a company from anywhere in the world.
Not disagreeing. I don't like it, but I do understand why they do it. They do it because people are dumb and get locked out of their own safes then call the company demanding help. It's easier for them to keep a master key and just unlock it than having to do tons of tech support.
If people don't like it, they shouldn't buy electronic safes. Buy a good old fashioned (mechanical) combination safe. Bit even then, I am pretty sure the company keeps the combination in their records. You would have to change it somehow.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:10 pm to Klark Kent
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have any of our OT Centrists swung by to tell us "muh, private business" ?
That response would make no sense in this situation anyway.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:13 pm to AUstar
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So to me, it's "meh." The government would get in with or without Liberty's help.
This is a lazy take on the topic.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:15 pm to AUstar
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You would have to change it somehow.
It isn't that difficult, and not changing it isn't the brightest idea, similar to not changing the wifi password that came with your router. Hell, even the high school I went to changed the combination to lockers every Summer.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:17 pm to schexyoung
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Option A - Liberty Safe doesn’t provide master code. FEDs still open safe but destroy it in process.
Option B - Liberty Safe provides code under warrant. FEDs open safe and keep it intact and valuable for owner.
Am I way off?
Let the person who owns the safe make that call.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:19 pm to boxcarbarney
Is my Tigerdroppings PW safe from the feds? Would chicken comply?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:23 pm to boxcarbarney
Have a liberty safe, it's badass, couldn't care less. The gov will easily get into any of these safes code or no code
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:31 pm to DCtiger1
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Have a liberty safe, it's badass, couldn't care less. The gov will easily get into any of these safes code or no code
Then why did they call the manufacturer?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:43 pm to boxcarbarney
#1 - Liberty is required to comply with judicial orders.
#2 - Do you think the 3 letter agency would have simply given up without the access?
Hint: Any safe is breakable given enough time, effort and brute strength.
#2 - Do you think the 3 letter agency would have simply given up without the access?
Hint: Any safe is breakable given enough time, effort and brute strength.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:46 pm to AUstar
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If people don't like it, they shouldn't buy electronic safes. Buy a good old fashioned (mechanical) combination safe. Bit even then, I am pretty sure the company keeps the combination in their records. You would have to change it somehow.
Yes, but when's the last time you shopped for a safe? 98% of the models manufactured are digital. I bought a safe a month ago (Winchester) but I went to Tractor Supply to purchase the only dial safe they had listed on their website. The website listed the safe as "in stock", yet it was not in stock when I got there and was "2-4 week delivery" wait period.
Buying a safe in 2023 with a rotary dial is like trying to buy a truck in 2023 with 8 cylinders.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:50 pm to upgrayedd
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Can't think of a worse group to piss off than this one. They hold grudges and will never let this one go.
Reminds me when the social media babe at H&K posted this:
H&K immediately canned her, and posted this
The gun community felt their concerns were heard and handled, and moved on.
This is how a business should handle these situations.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:59 pm to eatpie
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#1 - Liberty is required to comply with judicial orders.
We're not sure if Liberty was issued a warrant demanding they provide the access codes. Their response seems to indicate they didn't. If they did, then there was not much they could do, other than refuse and fight it in court. Their press release reads like their policy is to hand out these access codes if law enforcement has a warrant to search a customer's premises, which is not the same as Liberty themselves being served a warrant for those access codes.
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#2 - Do you think the 3 letter agency would have simply given up without the access?
They can do a lot of things. Doesn't mean its right, or even legal.
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Hint: Any safe is breakable given enough time, effort and brute strength.
No shite? Thanks for clearing that up for the rest of us.
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