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re: Liberty Safes is going the way of Bud Light on Twitter. Update: Liberty has responded
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:02 pm to UASports23
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:02 pm to UASports23
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Re: Backdoors. Companies have backdoors into everything in case the customer loses access, etc. It’s not initially nefarious.
Im not gonna bitch and moan about a company following a court order.
One customer commented this was the case with his Liberty safe and the company told him the only option was to call a locksmith.
I'm curious if this back-door code works on every one of their safes, which is an even worse look that they've given it to the FBI.
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:02 pm to boxcarbarney
I remember when the Hodge twins were just a couple of baws reviewing fast food.
Now they got that Trump dick lodged way back in their throat.
Now they got that Trump dick lodged way back in their throat.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:07 pm to eatpie
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#1 - Liberty is required to comply with judicial orders.
Was there a court order for Liberty to allow access or was the court order only a warrant to search the premises? If the court order was directed at Liberty Safe, sure, but that’s not what is being said is it?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:10 pm to Shexter
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Technology is a double edged sword. These days, you can be located via your phone or automobile almost anywhere.
All these folks have most of their lives sitting in a cloud. Many of which are China cloud.
Liberty however screwed this up.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:13 pm to RealDawg
Well Dam! Right when I was going to get one....Next!
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:18 pm to boxcarbarney
Lots of bootlickers posting in this thread
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:30 pm to boxcarbarney
And I was about to purchase a gun safe. They have given themselves the kiss of death right now. The FBI could easily get a locksmith to crack into it for them. Gun safes are the type that you use to keep out honest people, not for true security. They provide fire protection first, security second. The FBI used them like a pawn. Had my locksmith break into a gun safe I got from someone. Liberty screwed themselves.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:36 pm to RedHawk
n/m
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:46 pm to boxcarbarney
You are an obtuse little man, aren't you?
It is highly unlikely (though certainly possible) Liberty provided the access without a court order. You are making a supposition that this company would act against its best interests.
You apparently misunderstand. I was saying they WILL gain entry one way or the other. With or without access codes.
That was clarifying for everyone else (clearly you missed it) what I was saying before that. They will access the safe if they choose to.
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#1 - Liberty is required to comply with judicial orders.
It is highly unlikely (though certainly possible) Liberty provided the access without a court order. You are making a supposition that this company would act against its best interests.
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#2 - Do you think the 3 letter agency would have simply given up without the access?
They can do a lot of things. Doesn't mean its right, or even legal
You apparently misunderstand. I was saying they WILL gain entry one way or the other. With or without access codes.
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Hint: Any safe is breakable given enough time, effort and brute strength.
No shite? Thanks for clearing that up for the rest of us.
That was clarifying for everyone else (clearly you missed it) what I was saying before that. They will access the safe if they choose to.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:47 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Was there a court order for Liberty to allow access or was the court order only a warrant to search the premises? If the court order was directed at Liberty Safe, sure, but that’s not what is being said is it?
Highly unlikely Liberty would provide access without a direct court order. Possible, but improbable.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:51 pm to boxcarbarney
Mais nooooooooooooooooo
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:52 pm to boxcarbarney
Can you not change the combination? Seems like a good step to take.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 3:02 pm to eatpie
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It is highly unlikely (though certainly possible) Liberty provided the access without a court order. You are making a supposition that this company would act against its best interests.
Liberty said they were asked by the FBI to give them the code and presented a warrant so they handed it over. That's a voluntary act.
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You apparently misunderstand. I was saying they WILL gain entry one way or the other. With or without access codes.
Then why did they ask for the code?
Liberty should have told them to get fricked the same way Apple used to do.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 3:04 pm to schexyoung
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Option A - Liberty Safe doesn’t provide master code. FEDs still open safe but destroy it in process.
Option B - Liberty Safe provides code under warrant. FEDs open safe and keep it intact and valuable for owner.
Am I way off?
Shouldn't this be the owner's decision?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 3:06 pm to eatpie
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Highly unlikely Liberty would provide access without a direct court order. Possible, but improbable.
Did you not read their official statement? Good Lord
Posted on 9/6/23 at 3:07 pm to eatpie
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It is highly unlikely (though certainly possible) Liberty provided the access without a court order. You are making a supposition that this company would act against its best interests.
Per Liberty:
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Liberty Safe was contacted by the FBI requesting the access code to the safe of an individual for whom they had a warrant to search their property
Not "The FBI served us with a court order to release the access codes." They got a copy of their customer's search warrant and made the decision to provide those access codes because it aligned with their company policies.
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You apparently misunderstand. I was saying they WILL gain entry one way or the other. With or without access codes.
Oh, I understand fully. You, though, continue to miss the point.
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You are an obtuse little man, aren't you?
That isn't very nice. But we can meet at Sonic to clear up who's the "little man."
Posted on 9/6/23 at 3:08 pm to UASports23
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company following a court order.
I'm curious as to how the contents of the gun safe were in any way pertinent to what this guy was accused of doing in DC. I'm sure it's under seal, you know to protect democracy
Posted on 9/6/23 at 3:25 pm to SixthAndBarone
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The issue is you own the safe yet a company allowed access into the safe they did not own
I don't see how so many people in this thread miss this, it's all that matters. That was not Liberty's safe. If I sell a house and happen to keep the key, I don't get to go let any agency in because I have the key. It's not my house to deal with in any fashion. Apple was right regarding not unlocking iPhones. Dumbest stance ever by a safe company. A warrant or seizure is not transfer of ownership in my book.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:27 pm to greenbean
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Shouldn't this be the owner's decision?
Probably was the owners decision if he exercised his rights. The right to remain silent. The Fed ask him the combo and he says nothing. As he should. Don't talk to the cops.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:35 pm to schexyoung
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Am I way off?
Yes.
If the owner didn’t want them to bust the safe he could have given the code. It’s his safe after paying for it, not liberty’s
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